Hi, I very recently came across a newspaper review of the oft discussed movie "ZOO" that has recently made a showing at the Sundance festival. While I found the review non comittal in general what I found more interesting were the public comments to the review and the fact of the movie itself. I suggest everyone do a quick read of the review then scroll down a bit, just above the space for posting your own comments you'll see a link to read all the comments. Its these comments by zoos and non zoos alike that I found to be the most interesting. The now number over 1400 comments after only 2 days of the original article. I hope you find them enlightening as I did as to what we may expect from the general population to the revelation of zoophilia/bestiality. Enjoy....or maybe not.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/sou...mostemailedlink

Please post your comments on the site and post your reactions to those comments here. It should make for some interesting reading.

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WARNING:

folks - this is going to be the ONLY warning concerning this matter - ANYONE violating this warning will be banned - SO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION:

we can understand and appreciate this big event in the zoo community - but lets not lose site of more important things - and that is RESPECT - I have NO IDEA as to the content of this new movie as of yet - but I have been informed that it covers the topic of the late BF member Mr Hands... as an individual you are entitled to your perspective on the matter - HOWEVER as a member of this forum you will NOT show disrespect by voicing anything negative about the occurance - so what I am basically saying here is that ANYONE who post a reply in this thread eluding that there was some personal fault/responsibilty to his own demise WILL BE BANNED. The link provided will give you the opportunity to share your feelings on that aspect - but do NOT do it here - again YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR EVEN THE SLIGHTEST INSENSITIVE REMARK CONCERNING MR. HANDS - DON'T DO IT!

I hope that the community can be respectful enough and mature enough to enjoy a discussion about this milestine zoo event...

After reading a good few responses, it just reinforces the fact that human idiocy know no bounds.

That just smacks of rational thought and scientific proof :/

It just never stops. Thats probably the reason why we keep going at each others throats. :(

What I really wish, is that people actually knew what they were talking about before insulting it. After reading the comments on that forum, it truly stuns and frusturates me how so many of them were simply insults without any logic oir facts behind them.

People are commenting that it's assisted with drugs and stimulants and etcetera, when in fact most of the time that isn't true. Sure sometimes people do it, but it's the same principal as with murder. Some people do it, but most don't for reasons we all know.

My bottom say in this, know what you are tlaking about before insulting it.

Thank you for posting this.

My friend Jay just had to pull me away from that site a few minutes ago because I was ranting my arse off and getting very upset about the hundreds upon hundreds of stupid, arrogant, uninformed comments... :angry:


Once again, even though society yells "Acceptance" from it's headlines, there is very little. In the end, society hasn't gotten over Black vs. White, much less Straight vs. gay or any other sexual preference that isn't what they're comfortable with. The possibility of true acceptance of the Zoo lifestyle is still so far off in mainstream society.


I love you all, and I'm thankful that so many of us have found a safer place to be ourselves. :friends:


I'm also glad the makers of this film were brave enough to take their own stand and make the movie, regardless of the people who couldn't understand why.

To be perfectly honest, I don't see us ever being accepted in society. People are afraid of what they don't understand; Thats what has taken so long for acceptance of same-sex marriage, and even that hasn't completely arrived yet. It has barely broken the "tolerance" barrier and even that is only in some places.


We won't ever be accepted because animals by and large aren't seen as sentient beings that know right from wrong and can't say "No".

Take a look at those responses and count how many homophobic responses there are. There are TONS, and they are a LOT closer than we are.

I know I will never be deemed "normal" If anyone ever found out about me, but considering the state the world is in right now, is not being grouped with all those frothing at the mouth, self-righteous, baseless haters of everything they don't understand really such a bad thing? If we could all see past our own egos and not try to force our own ideals (and interests) on everyone, the world would be a different place. I kinda went off on a tangent there, but I'm done now. I'll be ok lol

Since when were they requirements for prejudice :rolleyes:

It is the rocky road we travel.

I firmly believe that our love of animals will be accepted at some point in the future. However don't underestimate the costs of this eventual acceptance, Changing public mores is a messy and dangerous proposition with this movie merely documenting some of the first tusles in this very public battle

. I regret deeply that a person lost their life to be at the forefront of this debate without intention or choice on their part, with their family having to deal with something that can only be emotionally traumatic.

Regardless of the film's contents, it behoves each person to think in terms of the public respect they would 'wish' to earn by acting the part beforehand.....

I think we live in some interesting times.

Cheers
Intrepidia

Things like these just piss me off because it reminds me of the complete stupidity and ignorance of most non-zoos. Maybe if they met us in real life or read some post here they would understand that we're not just animal f#@$ers! And then maybe even that wont open up their narrow-minded heads! This is why I hate most "normal" people! Why do am I bothering saying this here... you guys understand. Sorry bout my rambling, Im gonna go cool down now. I just hope that someday we'll be accepted.

This got me thinkin.... when people are wishing for the deaths of others without even trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, that is what is most disturbing.

and there is a reason why it is a (supposedly) Chinese curse. and it's the least of the 3...

the problem comes in when they try to pass such BS off as rational thought and scientific proof.

most people will believe what they want to believe. all they need is someone to preach it. it does not matter if what is being preached has any factual basis (though it does help if they say their idea does, even if it doesn't have the slightest trace of it), so long as it conforms to their existing ideas and doesn't force them to change their set-in-concrete mindsets, they will believe it and follow it rabidly. the inertia such mindsets carry is greater than physics predicts by several orders of magnitude.

what is even more disturbing is the fact that it has been happening on every continent for almost all of recorded history.

This post has been edited by chafalcar on Jan 24 2007, 06:52 AM

Its hard for us in this community to understand - after all, we know the basics of how we feel to wards non human animals... but...

With the general human populace, its a much harder point to ever argue with sucess.

I might forever damn myself with this post, but being one who took part in the production, My thoughts when asked were I do not ever see acceptance, and do we really want or need acceptance...

I did make it clear, many many times during the production that I hold myself to my beliefs, and it cannot be taken as speaking for anyone but me, but my point is one of gain - we will never gain anything of value by being well known?

That I do not know, but with the current state of most human thinking, and as seen by the articles replies that have so many of us frustrated, my gut tells me no, not at all.

You were/are THE Coyote? Wow, have you seen a final version of the film? Specific incidents aside, as a generalized movie about zoophilics/beasties how does the movie make our lifestyle appear?