there seems to be an issue concerning tea cup extreme miniatures - that this really isn't natural - but abuse of puppies? :unsure:

I'd like to know the truth - anyone have the 411 on this phenomenon?

I'm pretty sure it is. Concerning the issues of why you don't have sex with birds or reptiles, size is one of the big things concerning birds. The animal might be able to take the girth, but the length?

It's like a horse and a human maybe, we aren't really built to take that kind of thing into our bodies, and if we aren't extreamily careful it can cause severe damage that might cause death. We're able to say no, stop, and have people help the animal off of us, but the animal isn't able to say "That feels funny." or the like. We only know in yips and barks, and by the time the animal shows distress something might have ruptured already, especially in the extreme teacup sizes.

That's one of the reasons it's stressed that we don't use underage pets, isn't it?

The "Teacup" fad is just that -- nothing but a marketting fad. Breeding incredibly undersized dogs can rake in huge money from people who'll jump on the chance to have osmething so "cute" and uniquely small.

Dogs of this small size frequently have health issues (health-affecting deformities due to unnatural dwarfed size, for instance), and often have shortened lifespans.

I've heard stories of such teacups being accidently left on say, a couch, and when they jumped off, for whatever reason, they ended up with a broken leg, or other injuries... just from an 18 inch jump. They're so fragile.

The fact of the matter is that a breeder gets smaller and smaller dogs by picking, and breeding, the runts. With small breeds (toy breeds) runts are usually a sign of disease, deformity, malnurishment, and the like, so selecting and breeding the runts -- doesn't it just perpetuate dogs that will be plagued with health conditions? Is it right to bring a dog into the world, into a life of that? Sure it happens by chance with even the most reputable breeding, but it's common sense that you only breed healthy, high performing, and sound dogs.

So I say it's abuse.

Wait, are you talking about sexual acts with teacups or the existance of these dogs in general? ...?

Teacups are like... usually under 3 pounds! These guys are smaller then cats as adults... yeesh... I didn't even know people choosing them as sexual partners was an issue. It never even crossed my mind.

This post has been edited by Särx on Dec 21 2006, 01:32 AM

I'm pretty sure Southy meant the breeding for extremely small size ;)

I must admit to bias - I don't consider anything under knee high to be a real dog :P.

I totally agree with Sarx - breeding to an extreme without considering the long term health of the puppies produced constitutes abuse. It's a shame to see any puppy suffer throughout it's life as a fashion victim :(

It's just as applicable to larger breeds where some people breed way over the "standard" size. This despite the hip and elbow problems common in so many large and giant breeds.

Phew, hoped I was on the right track there.... Yeah :D I'm a fan of larger dogs... Cause frankly, in my opinion, anything shorter then, say, 16 inches, I'd rather just have a cat. Buahaha

Form and function! form and function! Form and function!

That's what dogs are about. Breed standards were designed to create an outline for breeding and evaluation, to keep dogs in a size range where their structure is balanced with their abilities and purpose, and thus, they remain fit and healthy. (Not only do oversized dogs have major joint issues, particularily hips and elbows, the heart takes a great tole in supporting a massive body that the breed wasn't designed for... This is most prevalent and dangerous in breeds that are already susseptible to heart problems)


Here's some conditions that are unusually common in Teacups:

spontaneous abortions,
mummified pups,
C-sections (with 50% survivability rates)
pyometra
peritonitis
neonatal pup attrition (death),
long-term immunologic, orthopedic, cardiac, respiratory or gastrointestinal dysfunction
easy fractures,
severe periodontal disease,
hypothermia,
hypoglycemia,
collapsing tracheas,
medial patellar luxations,
porto-systemic shunts,
patent ductus arteriosi,
cryptorchidism,
etc..

(It's estimated that only 10% of all teacup pups conceived make it to the point of being put on the market)

Apparently they're also beginning to be sold in retail stores -- along side the purses people can carry them around in. :/

Good. :huh: I was kinda confused too. SPECIFY! Goofnut. It's a sex forum kinda, what do you think people are gonna think it's about?

Didn't wanna have to slap the mod for being slow. :D

I have seen TC that can not walk, hold there heads up right, and pee like a dog. Thay had to have help with there bladers. The sick thing is that the owners liked it like that. I rescued a 6 lbs doxi from a family that was going to breed her and get rich off the size of her puppies. 6lbs! She is now a happy DOG that plays ball and acts like a dog! ;)

I think even a perfectly healthy teacup is an abuse of my senses and happiness... <_<



Bloody little rats. :sick:

well i dont like dogs smaller than cats or even rats))))

but the small size thing has been around over 4000 yrs or so
the chince was to bred small dogs that could be hide in the
sleeves of their robes

then un resent yrs wben someone wanted a dobie looking dog w/o the size they
started the smaller dogs as stock and several gen later had the min pin.
as a exmaple

even resently some joker bred dals to a small white dog, claiming they was a minture dalmatian and he was the founder of the breed and all the bloodstock
surrisingly folks jumped on the chance to have them??????
till he was found to be useing mutts etc


of course the minture horse has only been around as a breed for about 40 or 50 yrs now
all so the wealthy could have a house sized horse in their fancy house,


sad what folks will do for a buck at the expence of a breed of animal))

HB58

Teacups aren't so bad. Heck they live longer than most big dogs.

Actually...

The Shih Tzu was bred not for the spacific purpose of hanging out in the sleeves of China (I don't think Chinc is a perticularily good word to use :P). It was bred as an alert dog, that would also be small enough to easily acompany the emperor. (It is, however, one of the oldest dog breeds)
It's a cross between the Tibetan Mountain Dog and the Pekingese.
Problems with this breed include renal cortical hypoplasia, entropion, trichiasis, PRA, KCS, CHD, otitis externa, portacaval shunt, and inguinal hernias.


The MinPin is not a miniature Doberman, especially considering the MinPin has been around much longer then the Doberman. MinPins have been featured in historical art for centuries, while Dobermans were only being started in the 1890's. They both were developed from the German Pinscher though, amung other breeds -- The MinPin from German Pinschers, Italian Greyhounds, and Daschund. It's small size also had a purpose, it's not because people spacifically wanted a small version of a Pinscher, but was created for the purpose of hunting rats and other small vermin. (Such as other small terrier breeds -- "Pinscher" is the German word for Terrier). They weren't always this small either, breeders in the late 1800's became obsessed with shrinking it, which started creating deformed, unhealthy dogs, and thus some people got together and came up with a breed standard to save the breed. Legg - Perthes, patellar luxation, PRA, and heart/esophagus disorders are still problems with the breed.

Keep in mind that the toy breeds of today only recently became so small, the Pomerainian is a good example of this... They were originally the size of a German or Finnish Spitz, but, like many breeds, were downsized a great deal in the 1900's.

And... This is an intersting list:

Average Life Expectancy

Looks like the medium sized dogs, rather then toy/teacup sized, or large/giant sized, have the highest average life expectancy...

well of course I was speaking from a health stance - what kind of perv do you think I am :blink: :thinking: :o :lol: :lol: :D


thanXies for all the info - there is a "pet shop" down here that "specialize" in teacups - and I heard the practices we appauling - I heard they actually did some jail time :) but last night I saw one of thier commercials :(

let me go look - I think there was a thread on the net of the horric things going on there :(

http://www.voy.com/197170/

http://www.stopwizardofclaws.com/


http://www.nbc6.net/nbc6investigates/9405542/detail.html

:(