My buddy and his wife are hardcore animal activists. I'm more moderate :whistling:

Anyway, he and I are into kayaking, so we spend a lot of time on the road talking and discussing mundane to serious issues. Well, a guy having sex with his horse occurred and the state legislature wanted to make it an animal abuse issue. It was dismissed for lack of evidence. Happily, our state has institiuted some animal abuse laws with some teeth. Not enough in my opinion, but a good start.

Anyway, my buddy was kinda on the abuse side. I sorta caught him off guard when I said that if the animal is being well cared for in every other aspect, where is the abuse if this animal is engaging in a natural act act with another animal (we are animals BTW).

Then, I took the male-centric approach and asked hin if he had EVER had a bad orgasm. Whether you're fucking your fist or plugging every orifice in your wife/girl friend/husband/boy friend (which BTW is STILL illegal in some states), cumming never fails. So, if the animal blows their load, where's the abuse?

Then he brought up "exploitation" and I wasn't going to play that game. I said that every time we saddleup a horse, use a border collie to herd sheep or use a police dog to subdue a criminalwe're exploiting them. If they're going to do the work, they should get he pleasure. I also emphasized that that pleasure didn't have to be sexual. Chasing a ball, scratching a belly, tug of war, etc. are all aspects of having fun.

While I know I didn't turn him zoo, he DID acknowledge my points. Incidentally, at ths point I had had zoo experience, but board rules prevent that story. Later on, I had my first bitch experience. I've wanted to take male dog, but the opportunity never prestented itself. Incidentally, I've been utterly astounded at the penis size of "medium" sized dogs... I mean, talk about "packing some gear."

So as I step off my soapbox, let me emphasize my lack off use of PC terms like "pet" and "companion animal" because, for me, if everyone is enjoying the experience, then there's nothing wrong.

BTW, my buddy and I are retired military and we we HAVE seen it all.

The moral of this diatribe is that folks have differing views and all you can do is trust your gut when setting up meetings.

After reading this I just had to add... I grew up on the family farm (still there in fact!) and I had a male friend piss on our electric horse fence. Very painful I imagine!

Have only came across a few people who were into our life style that were game enough to admit to it in private. Had a neighbor with a big red Irish setter that kept me awake most nights with the sounds of her Ecstasy as he licked and then mounted her. Almost every female he came near he would shove his long nose up under their dress or into their crouch if she was wearing slacks. She would always say "I don't know why he does that" as she went red in the face. The whole town knew that it was not safe to bend over in front of him, but she would never admit that he and she were lovers. I even made the comment to her one time when we were alone that he was a good lick-er and asked her what else could he do, she just went very red in the face and ran home dragging the dog behind her with his lead. A while ago after I had just moved into this hospice where I now live I found another person who noticed that we had a similar interest in animals and he showed me how to use a computer to surf the Internet. But alas he passed away a bit over six months ago and now I am only left with the Internet for that sort of company.

i'm an idiot

This post has been edited by southflorida on Dec 19 2006, 04:35 AM

i will never use the internet for getting together with someone for beast purposes i think. i love my boyfriend very much and everyone that has contacted me thusfar has just been interested in me, not us as a couple. Not that he would even be open to that sort of thing. Im just one who thinks pleasure is pleasire be it by a human or animal. But, i would never do it with another human, but, with a handsome doggie, in the company of my approving boyfriend? Absolutley, but, i think, that will neverf happen. Haha oh well.. :D

I'd consider meeting some people in the future, that I've met through beasty sites such as this... but that's because I've known them for years, and probably years to come, and have actually become good friends. I'm fairly comfortable that someone wouldn't be putting up an act for years on end just to burn someone years later when they meet.

Besides that scenario, I never take people seriously when they talk about meeting, mainly because those I've talked to who go on and on about meeting are obviously BSers half the time.
(I never disclose my location, including city/town or anything...most I'll give is a general "area"...but still, this is how a lot of people have talked:)

"Hey I'm going to be in your area, we should meet up, I'm bringing my friend's dogs."
-week later-
"I'm still planning on coming by, but one of the dogs died."
-week later-
"Okay, you should give me money for the priviledge of meeting me and the dog."
-week later-
"I'm going to be coming by still, but a month later then I thought."
-week later-
"Okay the other dog died...I'm sad...give me pictures to make me feel better."
-week later-
"Okay, still coming up, I bought a new dog, but I don't like him, so you can keep him if we meet"
-week later-
"I have to put it off another month"
-week later-
"Okay, you can buy the dog for $600."
-week later-
"It'll be next summer that I'm coming up."
-week later-
"Okay, that dog died too, so I have to put it off again."
-week later-
"How bout you just give me money to have the grand priviledge of meeting up with just me"

(The entire time... it's the whole nod and smile deal from my side... *rolls eyes* some people are so dumb)

So yeah...I take most things with a grain of salt, for obvious reasons... But it's also fun to laugh at the BS'ers.

So many people lie about having dogs too, they can never keep hte facts about their dog straight...one day he's a doberman, the next he's a great dane, the next he's a black lab... and hte names change too! Haha...

This post has been edited by Särx on Dec 19 2006, 06:49 PM

this person needs to be banned ;)

please contact a mod if you are EVER propositioned for money on this site - it's UNACCEPTABLE

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Unfortunately (really), that individual isn't from this forum...but another large/popular beast/zoo community... (guess I could technically go after them there of course, haha)

This post has been edited by Särx on Dec 19 2006, 11:24 PM

wow, its amazing that some of these people actually think you would fall for something put together so poorly.

At this time i doubt ill be meeting anyone unfortunatly, due to time/travel/present conditions anyways, and just like everything you have to be cautious, be sure to have a good conversation and keep it up for a long time. If it persists, then you can prolly assume that they are real, and like everyone else says, meet up in public the first few for sure.

It would be great to meet some people someday, hopefully they will all be positive experiences.

^_^

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