the thread has been viewed by the mod team -errr me :lol:

it is CLEARLY not the bitch engaging in the action yelping - and there is NO indication concerning body language that she isn't enjoying the engagement...

you are welcome to your opinion - and you are welcome to express that opinion - HERE but NOT in the posters thread where you are interrupting the posters contribution - once again you are welcome to discuss it HERE - DO NOT INTERRUPT THE ORIGINAL THREAD - thanXies

That's why I didn't post in that guy's topic.

I actually thought something like this that's why I was waiting any more evidence of mistreatment before posting here , that dog might even wanted badly do go outside to catch some cat or need his walk , we don't know that dog the poster does.

Anyway that clip could be used against us since we can understand that it's not the bitch the one whining but any other people may not

I agree with the majority here that it's not the featured bitch... (plus my own dog is the type to whine and cry if he hears us in a room he can't get into, et...)

Also, the licking of the lips and nose is what's called a "calming signal" in dogs (there are many different gestures they make, subtly, for the same reason, such as squeezing the eyes shut, turning to the side, yawning, laying down, and walking in slow-motion or in a wide arch). They do it when they see something, either looking at them or coming towards them, that they are uncomfortable about, the number one culpret being cameras. This is why there are a lot of dog pics where hte dog has their tongue sticking out... Many dogs are not sure about the way a camera looks at them. :P But yeah, it's not usually coupled with whining, so...

I just viewed the clip and find absolutely nothing wrong with the treatment of the dog.. Yes it was definatelly another dog whineing and yelping and if you notice the bitch in question made no, What you're calling negstive actions untill the other dog yelped, And only then in reaction to the yelp, not the action of her sutor..

I don't know how many of you have witnessed a bitch in heat being persued by a pack of horny males but those of you who have will rember what the bitches reaction was when a dog not of her chooseing would try to mount her.. For those of you who havent, she will turn abruptly growling and attack the sutor nipping at him as a display of her dissatisfaction in his action.. I saw no indication of this here..

The other dog was not being harmed either, he was only expressing his jealousy of not being the one who was serviceing the bitch..

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Well, just not to make a new thread I'll use this one for a second clip.

http://www.beastforum.com/showtopic-93191.html

The description seemed too good to be true and I suppose it was. The video kind of shocked me even, the animal didn't seem to enjoy it, especially the rather frantic move he makes at one point where the guy gets on top so to speak.

:thinking: When you see a 1/2 glass of watter do you see it as being 1/2 empty of 1/2 full??

Had the Deer not moved would you have commented that he must have been druged???

Did you see the clip of this same series that I posted where the Deer mounted tha Man both analy and oraly???

In all honesty, I have not - I'll have a look for them. Still though, that says little about this clip.

About drugs - your words, not mine. I'm not going to speculate about "what if".

Anyway, I use the word "seem", I am not saying that the animal was abused but it didn't look fun for the animal from what I saw - I suppose I'd just like to hear some good reasoning why the deer does enjoy this.

well click here to see the clip - AND NOTE that the deer is repeatedly and gently attempting to give the human males genetals oral attention - is is UNDOUBTEDLY not only consentual but the deer is quite quite enthused ;)

Actually, that was me yelping since it wasn't me getting to service her. :rolleyes:
After being quite 'enchanted' by the pair, it seems obvious to me that the unseen dog was only peeved at being excluded form the action. A very nice clip IMHO.

My question would be: What does zoomaniaco have to say about this apparently controversial matter?

Having viewed the clip myself, I did not see anything out of the ordinary or anything that would constitute abuse. However, there have been several who disagree with that finding.

Has anyone contacted zoomaniaco directly via private instant message for feedback? Would that be inappropriate?

I don't have much experience with females. But, I can tell you that after watching it. It's a male dog you hear whining. The female is likely in heat and he can smell her. But, it's clearly not the female dog making all the fuss.

Love Knots to all, KnottLust.

Hey Knottlust, now that you mention it, it does sound like the frustrated whining of a male who can't get to a bitch in heat... I really did try to block that sound out of my mind *shudder* not fun when you have ot listen to that for at least 2 weeks straight. :D

I felt really bad when I watched to movie because I tought the dog was being raped. Seeing it move and making unhappy noises.

But after hearing all the explanations of the proffesionals I'm satisfied :)