Alice Alice

So my wolf is a dog because of some Chinese ladies?

Your thoughts about oral sex makes some sense since I can't imagine someone wanting to lick a cave woman's cunt.

Great story on a thoughtful idea

K9

:P They remind me of Lysenko's theories (one who beliveed in living-inducined genetype changes), but your ones are writen much better and are much more sexier! :love:

:lol: That's true, but did goldfish came to be because woman had sex with sharks?-) Regretfully interspecies sex does not play a major role in artificial selection.

Slumovsky

There is no suggestion in the story that dogs were a result of interbreeding of wolves with women. Rather, dogs are a result of humans selecting the male and female wolves to breed for cubs with more desirable characteristics. A clear example is the variety of dog breeds as a result of human selective breeding.

Goldfish are the result of human selective breeding of carp, a rather plain colored fish. Self selection by wolves results in just more wolves. Human selection resulted in dogs. Most of the domestic animals and plants are a result of human selection in the breeding process. Many do not exist in the wild or could have ever existed without human intervention. One example is corn. There is no wild corn and corn cannot self propagate because the corn seed on the ears result in too many plants too close together. Corn needs humans to plant the seed corn spaced apart.

I am suggesting wolves were selectively bred by humans for desirable characteristics among which are licking and omega behaviors. I further suggest that the driving force for selecting these characteristics were to satisfy women. These characteristics were of no value to men using wolves in hunting packs.

Dog DNA and wolf DNA differences show what changed and about when the changes occurred to result in dogs. We know that the changes were due to interaction with humans but cannot tell why these changes occurred. Hence, the story of Ling and the Wu-Fang Clan was written to suggest why.

Thank you for your comments and interesting discussion.

Alice

Alice...I would first like to thank you for a very well thought out articulate story. You theory would actually make sense..(feel like chistmas, but instead of sugar plums i have a million and one thoughts and ideas running through my head)
Ty for a wonderful story and giving thoughts to ponder on :D

dog_gone_it

Thanks for your comment and thoughts.

One reader has commented that a woman's cunt and a dog's cock were made for each other. Others have observed that once a woman has sex with a well behaved dog, she prefers the dog to a man. I am not certain how selective breeding of dogs can cause joint evolution of dogs and women's sexual satisfaction but there appears to be some connection.

I am just happy that dogs evolved and love to love women

Alice

And we're glad that you've evolbed into such a great writer Alice! :wub: :wub: :wub:

Thanks Third Man 48

I'll have to think of how to discover additional information to prove (or disprove) the conjecture that the evolution of dogs from wolves was driven by the selective breeding by women using the early dogs as sex partners.

Can anyone think of better criteria for selective breeding?
Just a thought.

Alice

Just like anything else different girls would chose different dogs.
Everyone likes something, some girls may not like sex with their dogs at all.
Some may not realize how healthy orgasms are for them. How orgasms reset all your dials, and promote health. That women need orgasms to function properly, just like guys do.
Religion and society have painted a woman as a whore or a witch for doing something as natural as breathing.
Breath deeply, it's very relaxing. B)

knotty and NICE

Society and norms are essential so each of us know what is expected of our behavior to one another. Religion serves the same purpose but uses the “All seeing Eye” of God or other being to keep us in line when we think we can get away with something. But this prevents the separation of public behavior and private behavior.

But we have been taught PUBLIC behavior and do not distinguish this from private behavior. If we were very sexual in private, then we would not have any desire for public sexuality. Who would want porn on public television if they were getting lots of private sex or private porn?

Western societies can become less vulgar and prurient if we taught everyone the difference between private and public behavior. “A lady in public and a whore in bed” lets a woman still be a lady and satisfy herself. Western societies teach that you must be a lady in bed to be a lady in public. This has translated to be a whore in public so that you can be a whore in bed.

That’s why our kids see so much trash on TV and in public media.

Alice

Being a lady in public and a whore in bed, separating public and private behavior would sure cure alot of the ills we have as a society.
Divorce rates may drop, tension and rudeness, even road rage may take a plunge.
You make a great point Alice, maybe you could teach the children of America what's important, and what's just BS or trouble.
I wonder what affect 10,000 well trained Omega dogs would have on the Middle East? :blush:

Knotty and NICE

Yes, I wish there were a way to teach American children true values so that they can judge for themselves. Once they are older than five or even eight years old, direct parenting does not work. By that age, they are learning from their peers and the skills of selecting the right friends and habits are critical. These skills are taught at home, not as words but as action by the parents. Children see the actions and characteristics of their parents and decide to either to adopt a parent characteristic or reject a characteristic.

The bottom line is that to teach children, we must teach parents to be adult role models and supervisors.

Our children do not have TV or video games. The computers are all in one room so we have access control. We do have one giant TV but it is shared as a family.

Our public life and the life experienced by our children are quite different from that which I share in this Forum. When they are adults, our children will develop their own private lives. They will never know ours and we will never know theirs.

I would comment on the Middle East but this is a global forum: the women are not the problem.

Alice

This post has been edited by alicealice on Feb 15 2007, 01:11 AM

That was a truly great story. But if you have any understanding of anthropology you would underdstsand than any change in human behavior and domestication of anminals lasted over 1000's of years.

So, I think the real evolution of wolves to dogs not only took a lot longer but had nothing to do with pleasuring human females.

Early life of humans consisted of many, many small [SPAM], and over a period of time they all at different times domesticated animals to the benefit of the group they belonged to. Over time you had the domestication of cows, sheep, horses and other animals. Dogs were also domesticated. probable at first for protection in the sense that they would give warning when danger approached and aid in hunting. Over many, many years humans became used to living with dogs and dogs with humans. And that was the start of sex between the two! Certainly not some wise person thinking this was a great way to become more powerful with other [SPAM] or too become rich. And while the chinese are to be credited with many discoveries and had the first advanced civilaltion they didn't do that while they were still in the very early ages of human life.

Dwayne

Dwayne

Thank you for your comment.

The most recent DNA work is based on changes in mitochondrial DNA (m-DNA) that are inherited through the mother. The mutation rate of m-DNA is on average constant so it is possible to estimate the time when a mutation split from the base m-DNA. Samples of m-DNA are taken from geographically dispersed areas. From the matches and differences in m-DNA segments, it is possible to create a tree structure. The real problem is that many different trees can be formed from these branching data. However, the most likely tree is a minimal spanning tree where the tree is most compact.

m-DNA from wolf populations and from dog populations strongly suggest that the domestic dog, in all its varieties, split from the wolf about 15,000 years ago. The geographic data strongly suggest that the split occurred in East Asia what is now China. The narrow diversity of the data is indicative of a small population of wolves evolving to dogs. This strongly suggests a very localized cause for the divergence. All sources of the cause point to selective breeding by humans. In fact, humans continue selective breeding that has instantiated the wide diversity of dogs.

Similar m-DNA research strongly indicates the migration of modern man from east Africa some 50,000 years ago. The people who would later be called Chinese lived in the area where dogs evolved from wolves.

Similar studies based on the male Y chromosome confirm the findings based on m-DNA.

All the data strongly suggest that dogs evolved from wolves in one location, East Asia, some 15,000 years ago. None of the data are indicative of multiple evolutionary paths of dogs evolving from wolves. Hence, the Chinese selectively breed wolves to evolve to dogs, all dogs big and small, is the most plausible explanation of the data.

Wolves and dogs reach sexual maturity in less than two years for breeding Many generations of wolf-dogs may be breed in a productive human life time. The selective breeding over two or three human generations can drive the emergence of the dog from the wolf.

The DNA does not tell why the early Chinese selectively breed wolves or what characteristics they selected. Hence my story.

Thank you very much for your comment. I love discussions.

Alice

This post has been edited by alicealice on Feb 15 2007, 08:38 AM

Agree MS Alice... evolutionary pressures drove man to domesticate the wolf -- the need for hunting partner, protection and later simple companionship seem to be the factors of note -- I love the piece and the real thoughts it stirs up