Just wanted to point at the doctors don't sew stitches into the vagina after childbirth to make it smaller again... They do it because either the labia tear during childbirth, or the doctors themselves cut the labia to allow for easier passage of the baby... :D but I'll quit with the off-topicness now.

Look at there eyes and the way there penis reacts to what is going on.
True the best studs I have known run with there own mares year around. This is getting hard because of market changes in horse industry as well as reduced sales of foals.

In the days before the start of drug testing for many events show tranking was a problem in some places. I spent a lot of time learing the signs to spot it in training and showing. Both mares and studs. Ace is obvious in todays standards. I have owned geldings that had to be tranked to drop that had to be washed often. Assisted vets in all kinds of proceadures over the years. Got ripped on a horse I bought for a lot of money I did not know then there were drugs now that are long acting. Now I buy a horse I have blood drown and held to run a screen if weeks later there is a problem. I am not saying all are but I have issues that people see this and think everything goes like jacking a dog.

I also am not comfortable that because the woman is paid the risks are not an issue. I will give you there are a very few studs who act as geldings I owned one a long time ago he was the safest horse I ever had to work. Produced champ foals too. He had no pleasure or want in non horse sex eather. Over 30 years later I have one stud who is realy good but he is a boy.
The chance a non horse owner plays sexually with a stud horse he has only met casually and finds it all sweetness and come are slim. There are many varables. Your horse with you different story you know him nothing is unexpected except if he slips into breeding mode so deep he does not relise it is you. There are all ways risks .

I just think sex needs to feel good and be fun for all. We all make changes in judgment dew to desire. I will fallow gsd's to the nearest bush. The dog cant total me if I give him my hand. I can miss the sevalence camera though dumb stupid wont do that again. A horse is a whole diferent matter. We who ride / train are in a far more knowledgeable possission. Knowing there thinking and reactions is our trade.
Take care
Rus

She is correct, it is called an Episiotomy (an incision into the perineum and vagina to allow sufficient clearance for birth) It is performed when there is a risk of tearing, a clean cut is easier to stitch as opposed to a tear. And yes, there is a joke pertaining to a Virgin Stitch! :rolleyes:

This post has been edited by tazman99 on Nov 1 2006, 05:55 AM

Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou! I couldn't remember the word for it for hte life of me! And talking to some buddies I have in the delivery room doctor field right now, they are almost 100% standard procedure for childbirth these days, nearly every single woman gets it done... Something to look forward too lol *shudder*

Umm, I'm sure it is! :whistling: Having been blessed with seeing the birth of my two, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I sit here tonight and am remembering what was going on this very night 6 years ago, as her water broke, all the fear, excitement and wonder it brings :wub:

I'm not feeling very well. :(

Hang in there Rolo
I know
if the foal does not have 4 legs and little fluffly tail I will run to my garden fast.
Drop by my garden
its relaxing and the rocks understand
Rus

I am no horse expert by any stretch of the imagination but it does appear that most of the horses in the videos are not fully erect. I saw one video where it appeared as if the horse suddenly became aroused and fully erect while inside a girl. He literally lifted her off the bench she was laying on and, of course, she couldn’t get off him quick enough.

I never really gave it another thought until now but it would make since that they have to do something; either tranquilize them or use them after they have mated with a mare. :thinking:

This discussion is rather interesting and it brings so many things to mind that I really hadn't thought about in this context. The difference between the women in the 'professional' videos and horses I have seen in real life are marked. In fact the real life experience is almost scary with the stallions being rather frisky and almost certainly dangerous to anyone trying to climb underneath, whereas in the vids are rather docile. I recall a discussion with a friend who had seen a stage act involving a girl and a donkey, and remember him saying that the girl seemed drugged rather than the beast...which didn't seem to want to perform until they put something to it's nose which provoked it to thrust so hard the girl almost fell off the stage....It was a scene which I tried to imagine for many years, almost doubting it's possibility until seeing some of the vids on this forum... :w00t:

The 'profit or pleasure' discussion is also very interesting. So good to see the different viewpoints, although must admit it only makes me more curious than ever... ^_^

Yup
Real power lots of risk.
Rus