As we are all different, so are our reactions to powerful events in our lives...feelings of being replaced are hard to overcome...too bad really, those men that are threatened are missing out on so much... because any thing that makes sex better for someone should be welcomed...good luck in your adventures, and keep us posted...ZG

Great story ANN thank you very much look forward to more .

Kind Readers, the Survey Results

Population:
4 women responded in the thread (Knot4Me, K9watts, Emily, and me)
1 man responded in the thread (Jim, our husband)
1 man responded by message
2 women responded by message
18 women I interviewed
4 men I interviewed
30 people total

The survey does not have any women who tried sex with dogs and decided not to continue so the survey is highly skewed to women who enjoy their dogs.

Summary

All women have vaginal orgasms and the best sex ever. Of the 18 women I interviewed, only 2 have pure vaginal orgasms with their man. Every woman had orgasms with clitoral stimulation.

About a quarter of the women was seduced and had some level of conflict before feeling good. The remainder wanted a new experience and had resolved any misgivings, if any, before starting.
None were raped by a dog. Three stated that the dog initiated sex.

Three women have sex exclusively with their dogs and do not have men in their lives.
Three women have girl friends and share their dogs.
Two women share husband, dogs, and each other. (You know who)
Three women were discovered by their boy friends and one was confronted but the boy friends were turned on by watching and are now actively participating.

None were stopped by husband or boy friend.

None perform in shows or for other people.

Most women like the doggie position but some prefer missionary.

All of the husbands or boy friends actively participate and claim that they are fine with their relationship.
All the men say that they did not feel that their manhood is challenged by the dog.
However, several women shared that their husbands are some what envious of the dog’s capabilities to make them cum and the frequency and length of the sex. If given a secret wish, some men would wish for a dog cock transplant.

Thank you to everyone who participated.



Alice

Very insightful read. I have always wanted to interview women and ask what their experiance has been and how it happened etc. You seem to have captured what is going on in this type of relationship. I have always wondered if women do start crosssing the line more and more and discover sex with a dog as more satisfying than men how will it change the way they look at men. It seems as the dogs has evolved as a very good sex partner to women, both in fantasy and reality. I have known woman who had dogs, but I have never crossed this line . Twice before I seemingly had an opportunity, it seemed like one women I dated laughed when her dog jumped up on the couch so I could not sit next to her :lol: he seemed to be okay with me though. She had mentioned that the dog had been her EX - boyrfriends dog ;) Thanks Alice

Joe and Kind Readers

I think that wolf sex with women had a strong influence on the evolution of dogs. Imagination and some facts are the basis of a story that I hope to post soon.

It will be my first story that is pure fiction but based on archeological findings and dog DNA. Do Kind Readers have an interest?

Please comment.

Thanks

Alice

i luved the story in how it was taken by the player's perspective...first the hubby who got more than he bargined on from his wife, the wife who discovered what a wonderful experience this is and finally from the dog, who luves his bitch totally too

keep up the wonderful writing alice :)

Great work Alice. All the points of view discribed so well, each angle explored.
I wonder about the dog's perspective when Ann comes home with the rotty. Sending him also to the bench, or maybe a little sympathy f***** a couple times a week. Woof Woof :angel:

Kind Readers

I am fascinated by the emotional relationships between a woman, her man, and her dog. These are certainly different from those of a woman and just her man and different from a woman and two men.

While every man feels the threat of another sexual provider, most accept a dog more readily than another man. A small percentage of men are excited watching another man f**k their woman but most men are excited watching a dog f**k their woman.

Most men are excited watching a woman have sex with their woman. He is even more excited if he also has sex with the second woman.

There are some men who have sex with their woman’s dog. The relationships can be quite complex.

It is unfortunate that all of these behaviors are condemned and unlawful and as a consequence not subjects of real research.

And no one is even thinking of how the dogs feel. I could imagine an alpha dog would not appreciate another dog taking his sexual position with his “bitch”. An omega dog may just view this as how things are and appreciate that he had some time with a bitch.

Thank you for your comments

Alice

QUOTE: from Alice Alice
"I think that wolf sex with women had a strong influence on the evolution of dogs. Imagination and some facts are the basis of a story that I hope to post soon.

It will be my first story that is pure fiction but based on archeological findings and dog DNA. Do Kind Readers have an interest? "

I am very interested. Are u saying that there has been archeoligical proof that there was sex between women and wolves. I always wondered how the dogs became domesticated, , horses also??
I have read about findings on cave walls with paintings drawn from prehistoric man , but how would they have DNA evidence?

Another aspect that intrigues me abot women and dogs is the fact that she does not have to worry about pregnancy. Let's face it ,having to worry about this takes out a lot of fun about sex. I have read that women who take birth control have quite a problem having orgasms. At least that is what i read . So you see it seems like dogs have an advantage in that the women can let herself go, no need for birth control and such ! I would love to hear what u think Alice!

Joe

Here is a link to the story I wrote about my thoughts on how wolves evolved to dogs.
The title is “Ling and the Wu-Fang Clan” “How wolves evolved to dogs. The real first time F/Dog” http://www.beastforum.com/showtopic-92711.html

Dog DNA strongly suggests that dogs evolved from wolves about 15,000 years ago from a small group of wolves in eastern China. These DNA studies are similar to those on human DNA that is consistent with migration of modern humans from Africa some 50,000 years ago.

The evolution of dogs must be due to human driven selection since wolves would not have naturally bred the omega behavior of dogs. Common wisdom is that some wolves congregated near the camp sites and cubs were captured and tamed. However, this would result in just more wolves. Humans had to select traits and selectively breed to result in early dogs. Common wisdom is that wolves were selected to be hunters with the men. Again, this selection would result in wolf like behavior since wolves do hunt in packs and selection would be easy but the animals would still be very wolf like.

So what could have caused selective breeding for the behaviors that we see in dogs today? I believe that the women bred wolves for sex; first oral sex and later vaginal sex. “Ling and the Wu-Fag Clan” describes the sequence of these events. Why else would humans keep another animal around if it does not add value? 15,000 years ago was before agriculture so humans were hunter gatherers and could not feed extra mouths. The early dogs were no just for the kids to have a pet. I believe that dogs provided the sexual pleasures that women could not get from men. After all, men were not licking cunts in those days but dogs would. And a large percentage of women today still do not have orgasms with straight vaginal sex. But most women have orgasms with dogs.

In a hunter gatherer society, the men hung out together and the women stayed together. Sex was tribal rather than the man-woman monogamy of civilization. The alpha men bred with women, all the women except their mother. The alpha men did not care who the non-fertile women f**ked. The omega men had no “ownership” of women and were just happy to have any sex with any woman. So no one cared if the women were having strange rituals (that happened to involve sex with dogs). Men kept women for sex and reproduction. Women had children with men but sexual pleasure with dogs.

Then civilization and marriage messed up that natural order. With monogamy, the man is very concerned with whom or what his woman was having sex. A woman having sex with a dog must be a witch. Burn the woman and butcher the dog. So that is how we got to where we are today.

These were just my thoughts. What do you think?

Also, as you correctly observed, women need not worry about pregnancy with dogs. AND they don’t worry about diseases too. These were the reasons why Jim and I started with Captain, my first dog. (I wrote a story about that too.)

Sex with a stranger (someone whose medical condition is unknown to you) is deadly. You can get AIDS that kills or herpes that kills your sex life. And a man will more easily accept a dog as his woman’s lover than another man.

Thanks for your comments.

Alice

Alice, Alice, As always I am amazed by your imagination!!!! You are saying that in a hunter gatherer society men and women did not live together and only came together for sex or reproduction???? Does that mean then that men did not provide for women, but rather men provided for themselves, and women provided for women?? Meaning got their own food and shelter, or maybe had a little help from the wolves for hunting and such. Then maybe women had an advantage over the mens tribe as they had a member of thier pack that was faster, better sense of smell etc. and could do some of the hunting for them and bring food back to camp.

Another aspect we talked about was that a man would accept a dog lover for his women more than he might accept a man lover. I guess that would be more true in prehistoric times as the man would not worry about not passing on his DNA. he would know this simply because the women would never give birth to wolf pups, so he was not jealouse of the dog that way. A man would be different, as pregnancy can occur and how would he know who's child it was ??


Another aspect is more practical is that man used animals for work. I mean we are so removed from nature it seems , but think of how many working breeds that there are that helped man before and still do today. Like sheep herding, hunting, tracking down scents. Horses for farming, transportation and such. Of course now a lot of their jobs have been taken over by machines so animals are used for work less and less.


At any rate Alica Alice I love your imagination :heart:

Joe

In hunter gatherer tribes, the men have their own “secret” society and rituals as do the women. The men and women share the camp but the men spend days at a time hunting away from the women and children. Women raise the children and gather food. There are celebrations when the men return from the hunt with meat. The tribe shares the food. Distribution of food is also by rank in the tribe.

When a young man comes of age, he leaves the society of women and joins the society of men. There is a “coming of age” ritual to signify this transition from boy child to man. He never returns to the society of women.

When a young woman comes of age, she is offered to the alpha male, or alpha males who are probably brothers, for reproduction. She is then a fertile female and has sex only with the alpha male until pregnant. The women have rituals too and are mysteries to the men. Most rituals involve the menstrual cycle and fertility.

Like the wolf pack, the alpha male fathers all the children. Unlike the wolf pack where the alpha female provides the pack cubs, all the fertile females of the tribe carry children. Fathering all the children is a result of the dominant position of the alpha. It also provides the Darwinian evolution for humans where the most fit male fathers all the children.

There is no concept of husband and wife or family unit. There is only the tribe.


Women were having sex with dogs without the knowledge or consent of the men. In the hunter gatherer tribe, the women have rituals of which the men are not aware. Just as men were clueless about women having menstrual cycles and bleeding from cunts, the men were clueless about women having sex with dogs. Women usually hid a woman in her period so men never saw a woman having a period. There were a lot of mysteries of women that men had no idea about. So women having sex with dogs was not at the consent of men. The men did not know that this was part of the secret rituals of women.

When agrarian societies arose and men stayed with women, then things came apart for women and dogs. Men were not away for long periods of time, monogamy was instituted, and the mysteries of women became known. Women could no longer practice sex with their dogs. The practice went underground as it is today. But by then, dogs had evolved as working animals and as pets.


Today most animals are for food or pets or entertainment. Few animals work. There are many more dogs than wolves.

Hope all of this makes sense to you.

Alice

Hmmm very , very interesting. Where do u think the women dog relationships are going in this day and age, or women +dog +man relationships.?? It seems to me that most people are saying that it is a very rare occurance for this type of sex, somewhere to less than 3% of women would actually do it. I read a Nancy Friday book, "Secret Garden " a book on women's sexual fantasy. She did have a section about zoo stuff , but it seemed you could not tell if it was something women had tried or just fantasy. I think a good book would be about women 's and men's sex fantasy that they have tried out. Then an interview about how they liked it or not liked it and the aftermath that followed, did it continue, often , not at all sometimes etc. I would be a top notch person for giving the interviews :P :blink: i could probably think of a million questions, and aspects and such to ask!!

THANKS AGAIN, ALICE ALICE, My fantasy girl ,(or real, beleive it or not)

Joe

I only know what I know. I expect that the number of women who make love to dogs, not counting dildog porn, is a very small percentage of the population. 3% is probably a good guess. But I believe that with the internet and a more liberal society, the number is increasing. Countries like Brazil, the Netherlands, and much of Europe do not prosecute women who have dogs. As Asian economies expand, women and dogs will be more accepted since it all started in China.

From my experience, women who try sex with a well trained dog will continue. It is really that good.

I keep repeating myself: women and dogs deserve a real academic study.

Also, I am really me.

Alice

PS. What do you think of my other stories?

To tell you the truth, I don't know what to think. Personally I think Ann is the selfish one. What difference between his selfishness, and hers? Some men actually think that he and his lover share the physical pleasure of the marriage bed. If she is not satisfied, who's fault is it, his for not loving her like she wants, or her for not telling him what she likes? Men aren't born with an innate knowledge of a womans sweet spots, and they all aren't in the same places for each woman. Even a womans own sweet spots will change during the month sometimes, though if she likes it in a certain place at a particular spot on a given day of her cycle, she will most likely like it in the same spot at the same time the next month. (before all you ladies jump on me for that statement, check it out, and you will find it's true).

Check out the book "The Clitoral Truth"

Ann makes a great to do about what her husband did, but it's she that is happy, and if her husband isn't happy, tough, he deserved it (or does he?). Why wouldn't she just thank him for opening her eyes. It's because of him that she learned the joy of g/d sex. She says she still loves him, but how long will he continue to love her, when she makes it plain that he is just a paycheck, or someone to go to the movies with, and also makes it plain that she is just giving him a mercy f***. How long will he be satisfied with being a third wheel. I think not forever. She admits to already sneaking more sex than he knows about, as if she had too.

Her excuse about men bragging to other men about how often they get it and what not, is a bunch of bull. I have known many single men who might do it, but I can count on one hand, the married men I have heard do so. I HAVE heard married women do it though, bragging up her husband, or cutting him up behind his back. Whether he is a good lover or not, is generally up to the woman in his life being open to guiding him, and showng him what she wants. If a woman won't do that, she deserves a bad lover. Of course I know that there are times when a man just won't learn, but most men want to give there woman an orgasm if they can, seeing her have one excites him, and makes him feel close to her heart.

For myself, I really love to see a woman enjoy her dog, but she can clean up her own mess. Her orgasms... her mess. Ha If I can't compete with the the size and shape of a dogs cock, well, to bad, but my feeling is, if a woman lets a dog f*** her asshole, and sucks his cock, she better damn well share her ass and mouth with her husband too. Not to, just because she thinks he needs to be punished forever for it being his idea for a dog to f*** her, is totally stupid. That she is having many many wonderful sex sessions with the dog should make up for what he did. I think a man in this mans situation may stay for a while, maybe even a long while, but he will leave eventually when his pride won't stand it any more. Everyone wants to be needed, how many people can stand to be a third wheel forever?

Just my opinion, <_<
Pet

PS I did enjoy the sex parts of the story :P , and gave you a 10 for them, but not for the man bashing part :thinking: , which was pretty thick with blame in the story.