Now, as we are all aware, Zoophilia is not something regarded too highly in the public eye, and that's not without reason. We are portrayed as sick, demented, sexual deviants, who have no desire to love... only to make love, and even that is something that is skewed. Though it is entirely wrong to think that of most, or even all of us, it can be partially true. Though there are the vast majority who truly love animals alongside the pleasure, there are those who are in if for only one purpose ; Sex. But to the point. Lately, and in fact more and more lately, I've been hearing people whip insults around at each other. (Two teenagers on the bus today for example, [since my car broke down] were just throwing little insults back at each other, in a harmless sense of course... To them anyways. They started running out of ideas, and before long were starting to call out things like "Dog F***er", "Horse raper", just anything they could think of involving a human and an animal). That really hurts. I'm sitting right next to these idiots and trying so hard not to slap each of them a hundred times. So, is it really that the public is starting to see this as even more of a horrid way of living? As I said earlier, I know that it's not something held too highly in the public eye, but for it to be on par with some of the things people call each other... It really makes you wonder. Well, am I the only one with incompetents around him, or have any of you encountered a similar situation?

*Note: Sorry if something similar has been posted before. This is the first I've seen of it. I know there are many other topics regarding violence or hate against us, but so far have seen nothing of this nature.

This post has been edited by XxXWhite_WolfXxX on Apr 7 2006, 08:16 PM

I think it merely has to do with the fact there is an increasing awareness of the fact that some people have sex with animals. It makes people think of it a little more often than what was previously common, and anything that is on people's minds could be suitable for an insult. Insults are usually not very well thought-out, and what the insult would literally mean, does not tend to matter much to those who use it.

Some people might use the theme of animal sex in insults and jokes, because they are uncomfortable with the topic. My brother was joking about sex with animals a lot, and it was always just because it made him uneasy to think of it, so he'd joke about it, to lessen the stigma in his own mind.

Look at the source of those insults. Two teenagers.

We are taught as we grow up, that loving animals ends at a master pet relationship. But as we grow older, we can appreciate the animals as viable companions. And to some extent, lovers.


I'm new to this, as more than one shot deal. But I'm a little unnerved at the sensitivity at alot of people here posting about the lifestyle of loving your animal friend, as a mate and being hurt by the world around us, but asking others to share pictures of themselves with their mates and partners and toys.

I also see where there is alot of talk and granted, it is only experience but it's there - of having sex with other people's animals.

I'm still not sure what to think of things, though I came here because of people posting about their Zeta toys. What they were like, if they were worth the money etc.

I think, if your going to feel very strongly about a subject that is taught to the majority of the world as 'wrong' or 'sick' you have to be able to take those random insults with a few grains of salt. Given that it was a couple of teens, just ignore them. They will come up with anything that they find 'not super cool' to tease each other about.

I seriously doubt either of them has seriously considered what caring about an animal on a much deeper level is really like, and the want to be with that animal sexually. They didn't use the term "Animal lover!" They were keeping it on a very crude level for a purpose. To make each other feel ashamed for what they were being called.

I think it's just how our world evolves away from very strict social taboos. Slowly.

i think that asking for bestiality to become accepted is just not realistic. There are some things that (and yes im going to say it) shouldnt be accepted as a part of everyday life. There are things that are kept at home, and should not be made a political issue. Its just as likely that those kids were throwing around the terms "faggot" "homo" and "queer". You cant expect everyone to be accepting of your lifestyle, nor should you. Although it would be nice to be able to openly share your lifestyle with like minded people, it is still a form of sexuality, and therefore will not be welcomed by many.

The gentlemen to which you refer are also somewhat polymorphous perverse at that stage of experience...they never know when they might suddenly have an erotic rush just from wrestling around with the family dog. Which are 'inappropriate feelings' so now he has to socialize it away by potty-fying it.That is to associate it with bad negative poopoo bad sex statements and jokes. According to the very thorough and carefully done Shere Hite Report on Male Sexuality; 50% of all males that answered the survey (they did take a sufficient sample size too) reported some kind of sexual contact with an animal sometime in their lives. I dont have the numbers here, but some significant portion develop strong bonds with the animal they are having sexual contact with. (I know I know, this may come as a shock to many at the forum)

My point? Both these guys are probably giving hand jobs to Bowser at home.

SD

PS Yes I know it sounds Freudian but he was right about some stuff!

PSS IN Canada their is an expression "Stop F**ken the dog and get back to work"
or "Its a great job, we work in the morning and f**k the dog all afternoon!" When the teen said "dog f**ker", the first thing I thought was actually he was calling the other guy lazy. We use it that way in Canada too. It sounds nasty in a way, but in another way its like saying thats the first thing ANYONE would want to do when the boss is out of sight. "Weee! the boss is gone lets F**k the dog!") Not exactly a loving attitude towards dog sex, but an erotic, if unstated element to it.
I may have heard it as 'screw the pooch' too. Anyone here of these expressions?

Not to be disrespectful of the awful experience you had in the bus, ive had some truly scary moments facing down teens over the word faggot or 'Thats SO gay!" But I wouldnt dream of trying to make them understand their thouoghtlessness regards negative attitudes about animal love. These days, they can (sometimes) be cowed into shame if they are called on i the gay issue: forget the zoo though.

Great dialogue so far!

This post has been edited by Singing Dog on Apr 7 2006, 10:30 PM

Offtopic,

Where i have some similar feelings about the need for visibility, at least at this stage of social development, i take umbrage that anyone should have to be in a shared public space and listen to hateful talk because we shouldnt expect that everyone should have to like ours or anyones lifestyle.
Would you find it acceptable to hear "C***sucking wh*re? How about just the complete wholesale degradation of women by just using that word as a put down: "Pshh Dude, You are such a WOMAN"
(Everything weak and pathetic) How about if they just referred to women in a manner that wasnt even meant to be directly negative but is still total objectification of women: "Im get me some pussy toNIGHT!"(gash, poontang, etc) Ok between friends in their back yard - totally socially unacceptable in public where I HAVE to hear it. And there are laws about it. Disturbing the peace and using inciteful and hateful speech.

As I say, Im uncertain (at least for now) about the usefulness of trying to gain publica cceptance of zoo related activities. Im much more of the spirit that there needs to be stronger "Mind Your own Business !" laws(Tolerance of things that are none of your business). But nobody should have to listen to abusive talk about any group of people even if you dont belong to the group. what I may have done, is either confronted them on the potty-mouth or told the bus driver. Ive shut down a LOT of idiots this way in my time. (I could write a book on the drek Ive heard on busses). And I dont plan to stop.

SD

Wow,
This is really a tough subject since there really is no fix. I do agree that there are things best kept private and anything about sex is one of them. While with your close friends you can talk about anything and create bonds that allow a certain amount of free speech. Public consideration needs to be on everyones minds as we go out into the world. I believe that a constant concern whether or not we offend someone else should be taught to all children so that they grow up compasionate and considerate of others. This never changes the free speach ethics but allows us to have a very deliberate and open dialouge with our peers. During public conversations the lanquage needs to be presentable. Name calling has always been one of my pet (cute) peeves and I do not allow it in my house nor encourage it in any way form or fashion. The best solution to this global issue of common sense is teaching the children how to communicate, using all of the people skills they can. This will allow them to become very responsible adults. Name calling just makes for bad manners. I do have a tendency to confront others when they are using extremely bad manners. I often do this by telling them that the lanquage they are using is offending me. This rarely changes the way they speak, but they do move away from me when doing it. So I quess I have made a difference in this very large world. B)

:rock: :dance:

No Comment Necessary! :o (the audience gasps!) :o
10 from me!

SD







PS Anubisgirl had some great points too, but I think I need to share the thread alittle :rolleyes:

This post has been edited by Singing Dog on Apr 7 2006, 11:44 PM

i absolutley agree singingdog, just because it happens doesnt make it right. And honeybee had some great points as well.

the fact that they were teenagers says a lot. Teenagers do that shit for attention, and because it makes them feel cool. When i was a teenager not too long ago i thought that by being obnoxious and annyoing i was truly the coolest and funniest shit on earth. They grow up, they learn, and in 2 years from now wont be using that language. Yes, it is ignorant and harmful, but think about where it's coming from, socially its probably not that much to be concerned about

Offtopic,

Yeah, those were the points that anubisgirl made that settled me down a little too. I actually dont spring into action on the first abusive word I hear, unless its particularly odious, its when I'm like "Ooo-kay thats like 5 times now, Im burnt!"
Sometimes I shock the shite out of em:

I'll be on a bus and some teen will be goin' "Thats so gay" No dude really That is SOOO Gay"
and bby the third time I'll go:

Me: "Excuse me I dont mean to interrupt but you keep saying that 'X' is "so gay" and , well, I'll tell you, IM gay, and it just had me wondering."

Teens:(Stammering now) ...umm..ahh...we didnt aaah MEAN it THAT way ummm..."

Me: Well how DID you mean it because, as you might expect it Im naturally curious when someone starts shouting out about how "Gay" something is and what, precisely, they mean by that."

Teens:(Stammering more; beginning to just about panic) ...umm..ahh...we didnt aaah MEAN it THAT way ummm...!"

OK ...Relax relax! I know what you meant. I wont drag you all the way through this. But please, if you want to avoid this kind of situation i recommend you find some other more appropriate word.

Yes this backfired once: this kid just went off on me, bus driver didnt seem to care, other passengers buried their noses in their books and newspapers as this kid called me a faggot and saying how vile I was. He said he was German (german-american) and a nazzi and that he wanted to destroy my kind. I laughed at him with gentle amusement, and remained eye-locked. Acted totally non-chalant though I was nervous. And then just gave him the classic that always sticks with em. "Wow! You seem to have a lot of strong, strong, I mean STRONG feelings about that.........I wonder why that is?" He lost it and cursed me in German then asked me with contempt if I knew what that meant. So I told him. Which just about broke his spirit, but by then he had to get off the bus cursing me in German as he went out the back door.

I thought it was fun. A little scary, but fun. I was going to complain to the Bus Service for complete lack of intervention...but...whatever...almost all of them do...maybe the driver was a nazzi too.

SD

PS Yes I do know how to spell Nazzi, but the censor program wont let me use it!!
Im sure the reason is to avoid the use of inflammatory language. Like calling somebody one "You nazzi!" (I cant HELP but hear that in Cartman's voice) Is this then therefore ok to use if I dont actually call someone a Nazzi, or Im I going against the spirit of the law by following ony the letter? And what AM I supposed to say "He called himself an ethically-challenged European who believed in the ethos of National Socialism and the elimination of certain minorities in their presence owing to a fervid belief in Human Eugenics circa 1930' and 40's...but not in so many words... you know...the word starting in 'N' ending in 'I' with the abbreviation for 'A'ri'Z'ona in the middle?"

It must have really been a problem with how people were using it. Are we allowed to "beat the censor" by spelling differences? I'll guess we will see.

SD

This post has been edited by Singing Dog on Apr 8 2006, 03:44 AM

I've also noticed reading threads everywhere.. how intelligent alot of you guys are.


And.. thanks for the compliment.. :wub: I blush.

Dog F****rs exist. It has nothing to do with dog lovers. I hate dog f*****s. A dog f****r is somebody that can't find anything else, so they abuse their pet !! A dog lover.....shares themselves with their pet....in the same way two human lovers do....with love, and respect.

I'm sure I left you guys out in the open with the 'teenagers' bit. I wasn't referring to 13-14 years olds but more along people who are about to graduate high school. I know they have a better understanding of these things and therefore can effectively use them against people better. Not that that was the point though. I doubt they knew anything about me.

Anubis, you had said they were teenagers, and in so are of course very immature. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I realize they are just these little brats who've yet to experience anything outside their mommy's care and wallet. It's just that, as I said, they weren't the youngest bunch. Probably still stupid, but further nearing adulthood. Basically, they've already set their minds with what they believe to be good and what is wrong, and so know that it's something that's bad. If it had been 8th or 9th graders, I might have turned around and given them each a talk... they're still impressionable enough then. You said they were trying to make each other feel bad, by keeping it on a very crude level. That's exactly what they were doing though, and thus means they know that it's a crude activity or lifestyle choice.

And Singing Dog... I actually had to crack up when I heard that you use phrases like that in Canada. I've never heard of any of them. Again though, I do agree with the points you're bringing up. All of you really. You've all got very valid points. There was a mother in here who claimed to teach her children about this kind of thing (the insults) and I do truly admire that. More parents should.
Thanks for the comments everyone. It's always good to see outside views on these things.

I think the more people talk about it in any way is good for us. The more u hear about something it will start bothering you less and less. Just getting it in the open is a start as far as I am consirned. Look how people use to look at the gay people. Now in some states thay can get married. Just gotta give it time. The internet has helped alot. It lets people see things at a younger age when there more open minded.

I was going to raise the point about people using "gay" as an insult in order to compare, but it's already been mentioned. A lot of kids use gay in a derogatory way so I don't think it's much different than referring to sex with animals. Maybe it just seems that way because homosexuality is more socially accepted now and zoophilia is illegal in the vast majority of countries.

These people are completely ignorant and intolerant of anyone different from them... And in my opinion, possibly quite insecure with their own sexuality. Maybe they have seen videos on the internet and were arroused by it B)