:P I have an old guy at work. Everytime I see him, and he's just sitting doing nothing, I say, "What are you doing you old sorry [EMAIL REMOVED - USE THE PRIVATE MESSAGE SYSTEM] ?" His reply is, "I'm just [EMAIL REMOVED - USE THE PRIVATE MESSAGE SYSTEM] the dog, that is all, nothing else to do but to F#@k the dog. The same thing you do. You F#@k the dog everyday."

:lol: :ph34r: :lol: Only if he knew what I really am.. :lol:


Boy, what a dream come true that would. Nothing else to do, but to F#@k the dog. Sure would be nice to stay home and not have to work... :twisted: :clapping:

this is the problem with all alternative lifestyles, gay which was mentioned earlier, People make fun of the things that they don't understand, which I wholly understand is apart of their coping with it all, And yes I find it very insulting, I know cause thats the exact way my freinds were well actually still are. But it is unfortunatly somthing that we will have to deal with just the same as all other lifestylers....Ignore it , forget it and dont do it

thanx for your time :mellow:

i think the problem is that anything that's slightly out of the norm, people find it insane and have to either make fun of it or laugh at it.

as humans, we like routine, we don't like change, and we want things the way they are.

naturally, sex with animals is wrong in the publie eye. but then again, so is sex in general. It's just been so hyped up by the media that it means practically nothing. the world is sex obsessed-be it with animals or not.

-shrugs-

I just think private lives should be left at home, and whatever you're into, you're into. end of story.

:D yeah, other people are definitely jealous!

When people say things like that, they may still be reflecting public attitudes and opinions, but they generally don't envision the subject of the insult when saying it (the notable exception being 'fag' or 'gay', I think). I doubt that they used it in any way worse than other swearwords or insults. I wouldn't be more paranoid about that than I would be with someone using the word c--- around me because I'm a woman.

(Hi, btw. This is my first post! ^_^ )

Hi dude, thanks for posting. This is an intresting opinion.

What i would like to say is that Kids will be kids, they ill-informed, immature and lack any degree of realism. I am not anti-kids and i am not paiting them with one big stereotypical brush, but studies show that kids will pick up things off TV, at school around peers, from parents and other social institutions and in one way or another pay out devaince. A man or women having sex with an animals is very deviant in our culture, and just like being disabled, gay, deformed, a woman or different from the white - male - heterosexual who is into girls, sport, beer and their mates - we are all going to get paid out. I hate talking about me, but as a gay male there has been so much shite about me and my people. Just learn to build a chip on your shoulder and get over it - no point slapping them and getting a law suit.

Just remember one thing, boys will be boys and paying out the abnormal is cool - and calling someone a pig fucker, horse fucker, dog fucker or whatever is just a cool way of paying out a mate - just the same it is when some calls me a fudge packer, faggot or dirty HIV infested dickhead! Just put it down to their ignorance and get on with your life....

One last thought. It will be intresting to see these boys in ten years time when they are opening up to their sexual desires - it would be ironic if they are into beastilaity.. But is that just a cliche.

Take care dude

I thank you all for all the posts. I hadn't expected this to get much attention, or as much as it has anyways. You all have some great points being made, many of them very simlilar, though neverthess accurate.
And DragonBlooded, thanks, and Welcome to Beast Forum!

Hope your not tring to say the me using the term gay is a bad thing. I was just saying that is is more accepted now that it ever has been. If you think the term gay is bad befor you judge me you should know I am bi-sexual.

actually michk926 I am freinds with alot of gays (I dont know why). And the majority of them prefer gay as I am sure tim may agree but I cannot speak for him. by the way dont worry so much about what others think of you cause their opinion is only their opinion

oh yeah i am so cool B)

This is a great topic and thank you for starting it.

My position is slightly different than some of yours. I think that we all occasionally take ourselves too seriously. I think that we tend to internalize comments made by other members of society as it may strike a specific chord with us.

I don't believe in hate for any reason but I do believe that teenagers, especially some uneducated teenagers, subject others to their irrational fears and misunderstaning through use of their words.

I happen to be a gay male and I occasionally will use a phrase like "Thats So Gay". Now just because I used the phrase, doesn't mean I detest someone. It's just a statement of opinion, not fact.

If you felt unnerved or insulted on the bus, I think that you should take it from whence it comes and realize that there will always be ignorance and/or fear of the unknown. Don't let it throw you too much and always know that for every person that is immature, there are ten that are willing to help and care greatly about your feelings.

The other great thing to remember is you can always return to this forum and know that there are many like-minded people and you can always derive support, nurturing and understanding from those of us that care enough to reply:)

Insulting - is fo rme to put in the bucket together with horse rippers. It happened here two years ago, and some zoos found it was too much of a good thing, as there was a law outcast agains us that contained penalties from the 1600's and much more. We gave them reply. The govt, has shown much interest in getting a better overview of the schene, and they no know much more about us. Also the press is about to change attitude. That does not mean that they accept us, but they are about to learn that we are not all horse rippers.
Journalists are humans too. If they get ann oportunity that noone else in their business had, to talk to one who feels himself accused on a wrong argument, aned can tell him about a life that is so hidden as our emotional lifes are. They go for it!
The govt is beggining to learn how complex the aspect of animal love is, and more reports than ever are on their way. Some of them are 100 year old stuff bottled in new bottles, but there are also more openminded research being made.

We will never get 100% acceptance. Imagine a registered partnership between a dog and a human. The human partner dies, and the dog inherits 1.000.000 $ The dog can not fill out tax bills, can not make investments, like humans. They can not vote Lassie for president, andmuch Therefore animals will not be able to get human rights in the way we have them.
We can hope for and work for more tolerance, and a more nuanced view. Tell then that when a heterosexual man rapes a woman, it does not mean that all heterosexual men are so. This is something most people understand. It gets triggier to explain that an animal-human relationship can be anything but sexual abuse, it takes patience and a good way of explaining. It works!

There will always be insults, against us, against anyone. Teenagers as stated above are fast in firing insults. They learn to stop that when they begin to work in a ompany, as most companies do not accept such. They may learn it the hard way, it may cause them getting fired more than once, but they learn. I feel the educational sector does too little to educate young folks in a proper way of communication.

Is this because most parents leave the upbringing of their children to "professional adults" who do upbringing for living? These, speciallly teachers ofen never saw a normal job from inside, theuir whole experience, from their own education, to their work, was made in the environment of the educational sector.
Companies know better. They always have some unpopular work to do, and youngsters who cant behave get those jobs, being told the correlation between their behaviour and the unpopular work. Or get fired.

Many years ago, i worked in a company, where we had some young people. One day, the director had a little accident, he parked his large volvo in front of th ecompany, but he was too fast, and the fron wheels ended up trough the wallm in the men's room. The teenagers (between 18-20) thoght this was sooo funny, until the boss just told them "It is my car, and it is my company!" in a tone that could not be misunderstood. That, and other similiar situations learned them how to behave. It just a part of ubringing of young people.

Insults only have power if you, the insulted, gives them that power.

Shrug them off and they mean nothing. If anything the insulter tends to feel dumb because of a lack of response he/she thought he/she would get.

I don't get insulted by deliberate insults. They're just too stupid to care about, and very easy for me to ignore.

I usually feel insulted when I hear someone express a negative opinion regarding something that is very important to me. Fortunately, it does not happen very often, but if I encounter someone who expresses unfair negative opinions regarding cows, I tend to take it very personal. Not only on behalf of the cows, but also for my own sake.

Truth is: I adore cows, I admire them. They love to be cuddled, they love attention, they're sweet and affectionate companions. I have been with horses, dogs and cows, so I can easily compare, and I've not found that the dogs or horses should be more intelligent than the cows. Not at all. You can teach cows a lot of things, but some people just never give them the chance or opportunity.

So when someone seriously believes that a cow would be less intelligent than a dog or a horse, when someone doesn't believe that a cow is as capable of love and affection as a horse or a dog is, I feel insulted on behalf of the cows.

But also, by insinuating that the ones I admire and love so deeply are not worthy of love and admiration, the insult gets aimed right at my deepest feelings. So cows is a very sensitive issue for me.

such a shame, i could a much better job! :D

sorry, i couldn't resist. i know this is a serious topic.

if the way the media portrays zoophilia is any indicator of the direction this is moving, then i say it is a positive one. just this season on Boston Legal, there was a man who was in love with a cow (maybe it was a horse-definitely not a dog). his wife wanted to sue him for a divorce on those grounds. his lifestyle was under scrutiny in the court room. i thought he faired very well. i was stunned. there was even a comment made by one of the senior law partners about his past activities with a camel. i thought the episode was quite interesting.

on another show this season, House MD, a young man presents in the ER wanting some depro prevara (sp?) to diminish his arousal of cows. after several visits, the doctor disovers that the 18 yr old is really attracted to his mother/step mother but he is ashamed and afraid to admit it. he thinks it is more acceptable to be attracted to cows!!!