Hello All,

Well, I read as much as I could till my eyes crossed, I got through page 3.

Hmmm, well, my first thoughts are on the origination of the post.

After reading your "Rules of Engagement" I find myself perplexed. I am somewhat new to this, having only experienced "some" contact throughout the years with canines. I am generally an individual who does not classify others with titles to describe any sexual preferences. It is my belief that everyone has a social/outside life and a private/sexual life (whatever that may entail), and THAT is no ones business but theirs. To me, no matter who or what the joining pair, human/human, human/animal, animal/animal, it should be comfortable and enjoyable for both. And abuse is abuse no matter what form or fashion it is.

I do not believe there is any distinction between Animal Lovers and those who Love Animals. Those are one in the same. Either one has a good heart or they don't. Simple as that.

I will say that I also agree with some comments from all posters. I do believe that animals should be loved, just as you would a human. But, animals are not humans and I do consider them pets, I do not consider them equals. Do I love my cat more than my children? NO. But, I care for her just as I do my children. I love her just as I do my children, and I scold her when justified just as I do my children.

I do belive that most animals have a stronger instinct towards sexual encounters, canine's being one of them. And, I do believe that through thousands of years of socializing canine's they have it within them to form bonds with their owners or families they belong to or others they come in regular contact with and not just of a protective nature. You describe steps to ensure prevention of the canine from eventually becoming or feeling dominant. This statement alone contradicts your own statements of the love/partership bond between you and your dog. Why? Because with a human it would not be necessary to teach or train them when and where it was appropriate to have sex. Because, plain and simple, they are pets for a reason. They are not equal to us as humans. Please keep in mind, that is not to say that we should treat them any less than we would another human.

The reason I was so perplexed is because though I do feel a sexual desire, and a sexual desire only, to have sex with a canine, and I do love and care for animals and would never cause them harm, I would never consider a male canine my lover, as that status is reserved for the human men in my life, or the occassional couple or group I engage with. I have a very strong sexual drive and desire which can not be fulfilled at times, even by several men, and sexually speaking I need and want more. Canine intercourse does arouse and intrigue me and that is my reason for pursuing it. It is my belief that canine's do have a strong sexual drive and I don't believe that if a male canine is willing and there is no abuse, that it's wrong unless I don't consider them my lover and mate. A canine can never achieve the level of lover or mate as they are an inferior breed than we are.

I do agree that everyone who has posted an opinion has a right to whatever they believe. Even if I or anyone else does not agree with another. That's why we're humans, because we can and have the ability to conceptualize. On the subject of Titles, whether someone is a Zoo, Beasty, Gay, Lesbian, White, Black, Yellow, Orange, Mentally fit, Fat, Thin, short, tall, Bald, Old, or whatever title people choose to put on anyone else, I don't believe in them and have taught my children that there are no titles, we are all humans, no matter what any of our attributes may be, it is wrong to classify a human being based on any other fact than the fact that we are humans and there is not one of us who is better, less, more important, inferior, or superior to another, period, end of story.

Now, I know some of you will dissagree with me, and hey, that's just fine, I appreciate all points of view. This is just mine.

I will not comment on the fence hopping issue as I have no personal experience with this or know anyone who's done it, and have never seen or heard a story about it in the news. All I will say is that all humans and animals should be treated with respect and kindness.


Love Knots to all, KnottLust.

does anyone else find these two statements conflicting?

why the need to classify a non-human then? why is it that they are "inferior" ? wouldn't "different" "different species" be more appropriate?

with that said:

sure - you more than have a right to express your feelings and opinions - but I do want to disagree...

I don't find animals to be my inferior - they are equal - just blessed with different communication skills and lifestyles - we can talk - walk upright ect... but we can't fly - nor do we have the capability of surviving in the desert for a prolong period of time - we can't live and breath under water ect ect... animals DO communicate - and animals adapt to enviroment much better than humans - they are not inferior - just different...

all things are equal in southys world - and THAT is MY general rule of engagement -I choose to approach each human in this world - and each animal in this world - as my equal commrade - sometimes there is no match ie: we do not serve to enhance each other in this life - and sometimes we do - but reguardless of wether a meeting is benefitial - and reguardless of wether I personally like someone or some creature - I dearly try to respect that person/animals position in life as an equal - and I TRY to apply the same to mother earth - none of this is ours: other people - animals - earth - even ourselves - they are gifts of -of -errrr something greater _______ (fill in the blank with your own belief)

I'm not even sure it's important that we can fill in the blank -just so long as we believe that everything doesn't revolve around OURSELF -that EVERYTHING is BALANCE... and in order for balance - there needs to be equality and mutual respect of every living thing

ok - I'm scaring myself - I'm outta here :lol:

Southie must have had coffee already this morning. I need to catch up.

Hi,

Love your point of view southflorida.

Even if I still believe there is a pecking order between species. That is their way also, each of our lovely animal species has it's own pecking order for multiple reasons. And, except for herbavours, they all eat and or attack each other in a pecking order. That is their way of survival and ensuring their continued success. I'm writing this now as I sit and watch a show on TV of deer and their lives and of their interaction with wolves. And of how the wolves hunt down and eat the deer. At the end it showed a wolf cub and a baby deer playing and frolicking together. Since the wolf cub isn't born with the hunt and kill characteristics, it's taught, as a very young cub it played with the baby deer.

That last was just an afterthought as I was watching it.

Again, and as always, all views are always welcome.

Love Knots to all, KnottLust.

I know knotlust is more than capable of answering for himself, but South did ask if anyone else found his 2 statements conflicting. No.
If you believe humans to be equal with each other, but superior to other species as Knotlust does,then those statements are consistent and logical.
They would only be conflicting if you believe, as South does, that all species are equal.
That is also why he uses the word "inferior", for that is his belief.

Personally, I go with "different", but find it impossible to label species as inferior/superior, or even as equal. Each species has different qualities. Humans clearly have the highest intelligence on the planet, but are physically inferior to almost every other species. It's like asking which is best, a potato or a banana. There is no answer, they're just different.

I would just like to pick up on one thing. "Animals adapt to environment much better than humans". Couldn't disagree more. Thousands of species have become, or are becoming, extinct because of changes to their environment. Man, however, flourishes in almost every corner of this planet. Despite changing environment, be it of our own making or not, our biggest problem is over population. Our intellect has enabled us to cope with everything nature has thrown at us so far. Whether we will in the future remains to be seen.

Hmmm, Another very interesting point of view.

But, being a WOMAN as I am, and yes that is my clitoris as my avitar. I'd like to comment on the potato and banana thing. Ummm, lets see, Banana's tend to have more length, but MMMMMMM, can find an awfuly nice thick potato. LOL.

Love Knots to all, KnottLust

This post has been edited by KnottLust on Jul 9 2006, 04:33 PM

OOPS! Sorry Knottlust! It's just so long since I've seen a clitoris . . . . . . :(

Must add you to my list of ladies to flirt with.

OK, in your case maybe the banana is superior! :clapping: :lol:

Great topic and read!

I have some thoughts on this but I am trying to put them in order. I think I will think first post later on this one. B)

Southys world, I think I would like to have your world bigger. It is a pleasure to read your posts and rololovers. You two keep wrighting like this I will start thinking the world is not half bad.

Think first then post I will remember that. Sometimes I seam to for get.
R

sage words raccool. but understand that there is another side to the coin and not everyone will agree with you. everyone has their own feelings and opinions on any subject. there are no RIGHT opinions and there are no WRONG opinions.....there are only DIFFERING opinions.

thankfully, most WILL and DO agree with you.....myself included.

perfect rules to live by for all those who want to have a relationship with thier animal.

i can see that delving too deeply into things only causes disagreements, conflict, and rifts.

so from all this hoo-haa we have gathered that some people are okay with "fencehopping" and others are not, regardless or in spite of their reasons. it's safe to say this is something everybody here ALREADY KNOWS.

why continue to run it into the ground?

Hi Piquant.

Didn't really understand your comments about this thread. I've just checked back and the last opinion offered on fencehopping here was on April 15. All fencehopping talk was switched to the "Fencehoppers Unite" thread. Who's running it into the ground?

great post realy enjoyed it

Thank you! ^__^

I've decided not to get in this debate.. :P

This post has been edited by rrarr on Apr 26 2007, 04:10 PM