What you mention is seen more and more, but I do not think that it is an expression for bein zoo, or that zoo's do it more than others. In fact most of thos I know, either by IRL konowledge, or http:// friendship make their efforts to learn about the animal's real needs for life, behaviour, feeding, etc.

The people who keep dogs or other animals as cuddle toys, and dress them in designer clothes are often not happy with themself. Reasons why they do may vary, my guesses are: Lonelyness, making the animal a substitute fr the family/child they never got - The need to catch attention in society - They are the victims of designers ho stand ready to create just what they alwas were made thinking they needed - Boredom?.

There was a case with someone from Detroit who had a white shepherd with painted toenails, toerings, armbands, and pierced ears. The strange thing was that he was a quite ordinary fella himself. In my mind, the pierced ears was one step too far, but if the other stuff does not harm the dog, and te dog has a good dog's life -get excercise, attention, and brainwork, it would be OK with me.

Yes, I agree.

Anyone has any Ideas?

Ok Im going out on a limb here,

The rules you posted are so complete that its a challenge to do more than appreciate it or to contest some of its points...but there is something outside of those that concerns me and the theme if not the letter of this thread.

Its simple. I agree with much of the thread head (is that what its called? If there isnt a word "I want DIBS!") I share the concerns that poor and exploitive attitudes towards animals, hurt them. Its with this in mind that Im a little concerned about some of the wording of certain advertizing of other sites. One of the Premium sites says this, permanently, at the top of my screen. 'AnimalJuice.com
Hardcore Animal F*cking. "

Now personally Ive never liked talking about sex like that (Im not a sweethearted romantic either though ;) ). BUT...you know, consenting adults and all. Wait they arnt BOTH human. Were the animals happy with the "Hardcore Animal F*cking"?
At least in my vision "Hard Core Animal F*ucking" is unlikely consensual. Maybe it is. Maybe its just the language and the site is fine. But it sounds awfully objectifying still, it doesnt sound like there is a relationship between the person and the animals at all. Or compassion or even an interest to please or treat the animals kindly. It sounds like use/abuse of an animal to my sensibility.

And sure folks might say " Well its how you define 'hardcore f*cking'." I suppose it is. But the first image that it calls up in my head isnt a pretty one. :( But maybe Im a :nerd: But Im not offended by "HOT sex with animals" or "Wild sex with animals" even isnt so harsh to my heart as Hardcore. Sounds like it hurts. Humans have the privelage to explore extremity in sex, exploring perhaps amongst other things the Pain/Pleasure intersection. (Franky Ive done 'pain'...going for ecstacy only now...and hopefuly I deliver the same) But they dont have this privelege with animals. I just cant see where HardCore comes in in a reasonable way with animals.

What do you folks think about, if not this example, other examples of possibly exploitive/abusive language around the advertizing and promoting of animal sex sites and recordings?

Well I realized I should really have a look at the site, and it turns out to be a lot more of the same. Some of it is consensual probably...but they were thrilled to tell us they have eels and snakes. Some at least is out and out animal abuse* (and if turns out that they arnt inserting them in orifices its still playing that prurient appeal...if anyone finds that appealing). At the least its not going to sit well with the general public, if not us.
* At least to me that is.

Thoughts?

SD

PS If this isnt an appropriate thread for this, consider it a BUMP for Racoolman

This post has been edited by Singing Dog on Apr 8 2006, 04:52 AM

well it borders on the topic :lol:

it is about approach - and thiers doesn't suit me personally...

sometimes we can get complacent and forget just how lucky we are to have this COMMUNITY

but with that said let's also think about it positively - we all had to find our way here -and for MANY if not most of us - that started by typing something pretty graphic into a search engine :o hopefully it's just a pitstop until they find thier way home... :friends:

Thank You SouthFlorida for your support.

My Reason for starting this Topic was to help people see Animals as more then Just Animals. They have feelings, and rights just as we human do.

Maybe I stepped on some toes, That was not my attempt. My concern was for the Animals that we Love.

South florida Said:"well it borders on the topic laugh.gif
it is about approach - and thiers doesn't suit me personally...
sometimes we can get complacent and forget just how lucky we are to have this COMMUNITY
but with that said let's also think about it positively - we all had to find our way here -and for MANY if not most of us - that started by typing something pretty graphic into a search engine ohmy.gif hopefully it's just a pitstop until they find thier way home..." friends.gif

(Thank you SoFla for that)(and your moderation in all senses!) ^_^

Racool, I think that South may have been refering to my post about my concerns related to language style in advertising and was reminding me that, though He sympathized with my feelings on the language himself, that i may not want to be too hasty in judging its presence. That likely even the best amongst us may have found their way to this site and a wiser sensibility owing to their having stumbled on those 'other' sites.

His last line; "hopefully it's just a pitstop until they find thier way home"
I think this thread is a pretty good roadmap to the home he's talking about.

I dont think you stepped on any toes. Your thread is great. It seems to me you have every right to have your thread reflect your feelings. I regret having made my first post in this thread in the manner I did. ALL subject matter aside, I am the one ultimately responsible for toes being stepped on in this thread. I dont want to see this thread languish on my account...So, let me try to "think about it positively" and turn my last post inside out...

In what way can 'we' as zoos relate animal erotica to responsible relationships as a means of experiencing it? How do we create a 'draw' from the 'get my jollies' sensibility to a more intimate approach? What ways can we make "Hardcore Animal LOVING", more appealing than "Hardcore Animal F***ing"? How can we make 'loving sex' compete in the market place of sexual ideas? How do we get more folks to read this and other similar threads?

I mean BESIDES Beastforum and threads like this. ^_^
And Im not just being nice (shudder!) As if this forum and its folks havent had a profound effect on me already. Ive said it before and it bears repeating over and over as far as I am concerned. Ive been Human long enough and surfed the sex soaked internet long enough to be knocked to a knee over the kind of loving sexuality I see here. There's no group of people who so consistantly consider their partners well being and experience. There's no group that so consistantly expresses love for their partners. In some senses it is so ironic, as zoosexuality is so thought of as a personal obsessive fetish. But really, so obvious, because people who love their animals, love them whether they are having sex with them or not.
So Im sorry if I go on about this, but after the human sexual jungle, this place sure is a nice meadow.

SD

This is the in the area where I live. The grass is green in winter and spring and goes golden in summer fall. The Pacific Ocean is in the distance. The meadow is primeval...over 10, 000 years old (serious!)Native folks kept them clear for thousands and thousands of years. Those are Redwoods tucked in the ravines which edge the meadows

This post has been edited by Singing Dog on Apr 10 2006, 05:19 AM

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By now, most people here know me to be a little obsessive... but especially as a Biologist I have to make the self-correction that "the trees edging the ravines" in my previous post's pic, are in fact, by and large, California Live Oak and some non-native Acacias...and I cant tell from here, but maybe, just maybe, a few Redwoods.

SD

This post has been edited by Singing Dog on Apr 11 2006, 07:30 AM

If I could vote, this would be a 10! Love animals, don't use them! *goes to hug his doggy*

-Balto Wolf

Funny thing is that we tend to think that we have sex for different reasons than for animals. I've said it before: castrate a human and he'll lose most if not all interest in sex. Sex for us is just as much an instinctive act as it is for animals; even if nobody ever explained sex to us we'd still be doing it. But that doesn't mean that we can't enjoy it and the same goes for many animals.

Sadly, not everybody always cares for the animal's needs and feelings; even on this forum. I'm not going to point at members, I'm not a moderator and I don't make the rules, but it does sadden me sometimes, especially when such behaviour is being encouraged by other members. Then again, the community thankfully also rises up against certain things such as fencehopping.

As for what goes and doesn't go, just consider if what you want to do will hurt anyone (that could be the animal, but also possibly the owner) in any way (and hurt isn't just physical, it can also be emotional) or creates a situation in which this is likely to happen. If you take fencehopping as an example: this often makes the animals anxious, you run a high risk of being discovered and that could result in emotional hurt for the owner. That's why, in my eyes, fencehopping shouldn't be done, besides trespassing just being against the law even in countries where bestiality is legal.

I myself, see nothing wrong with sharing my k9 lover. I've let another woman be with my black lab, and I've been with her dalmation. Both dogs are well cared for, and enjoy having sex with either of us.

Hey I have a question, I have been working on a addistion to the fencehopping Section, where would the best place to post it?

You can check out the Fence Hoppers Unite Topic and see if your post will fit in with what was posted in the end of that thread....or maybe open a new Topic if its a long post and you want to start "fresh" with this Topic.

: This was an ecellent thread! You did a mighty good job with it and THANK YOU for taking the time to share and write down what was going on. And it gives a lot of excellent tips( for the uninformed) and info. You explainined in Very explicite English to be loving and caring!!! Thanks...
Abig 10 for you

harrowthefurrow, I think you for you support. :D

hambletonian, I will be getting with you again before I make My next Post. I thank you for your Guidance. :)