Ok... after thinking about it for some great time, and after my previous post about the man who "raped" and injured the sheep... I am going to ask this of everyone...

It would seem that there are a great many zoosexual people who would like to have their rights recognized and they would at least like to be understood and have even a minority respect. There are many that would love to be able to have the freedom from oppression of the public and legal system, and they would like for people to stop thinking of them as "sick monsters who prey on innocence".

This is my proposal to every zoo everywhere...

Without always coming up with reason "Why Not To" or reasons "Why We Can't" do something to become a more understood and respected part of society as simply having an alternative sexual preference and lifestyle...
How about we all come up with reason "Why We CAN" and why we Should do something to make the public see us as something other than "sick" or demented people.

When I was in school, my teachers would always say:
"Don't say Can't, because you will never know if you can or not until you try".

I am doing this in the hopes that perhaps one day, some how, we can find a way to prove once and for all to the public that Zoophilia is NOT about the abuses and suffering that is always portrayed by the ignorant and the media... that Zoophilia is more loving and caring than even Human/human relationships... that Zoophiles are NOT the monsters in the nightmares of the ASPCA and PETA.

So... how about everyone start posting in this thread all the thoughts they have on "Helping to make Zoophilia an understood and recognized way of life" instead of posting all the reason why you won't or can't...

As long as people continue to "Think" it is a lost or hopeless cause... it WILL be.
So I ask you... how about we all put effort together and come up with thoughts that could "Help The Cause"...
Someone that has been e-mailing me in regards to this has some very good ideas and points and is all for helping to make the cause a worth while campagne.
Think of it... if it wasn't for advocates of certain causes, we would not have most of the rights we have now. Because of reasons "Why We Should", we now have rights for women, rights for black minorities, rights for gay people, rights for just about everything. Why not make Zoosexual rights one of our freedoms as well.

Please... No posts/replies in opposition... I would only like to see posts/replies that can help lead to a possibly benefitial outcome for all of us...
Post of Benefit would include:
"Your thoughts and feelings as to why you believe zoosexuality is right"
"Your observations of animals in regards to consent/disapproval"
"Thoughts on how to approach the subject in society"
"Ideas on ways to bring the subject into a good light that society will see as good"
"Ways a zoosexual person can benefit society"
"Ways that zoosexuality does NOT hinder or affect society as a whole"
"Ways that the governments and legal systems can recognize the differences between zoosexuality and abusive behaviour"
"Ideas that can help create laws that are fair for everyones concern including the animal's"
"Ideas for laws that are similar to the laws human relationship must follow"

and so on.....

Hopefully this thread won't get lost way back on page 1,556,978,455,,,, hahaha

This post has been edited by InLuvWithEwe on Mar 13 2006, 12:41 AM

moved to zoo

I have said this 2 times before - and I will add it as my response to this thread again

I'm the one who always comments that zoo is always compared to gay concerning rights - but ironically I find it necesary to use this quote I made which did concern zoo/gay similiarities concerning rights to make my point here... from the second paragraph on I think you will see what my point is -_-

I'll just say this - the circumstances and names have changed - but the song remains the same - the casulaties in the zoo world would be far worse - which is unimaginable in my mind knowing what the casulaties were for gays...

-so I ask again - are you willing to sustain the casulaties???

I totally can see your point southy because I am bi and I too know what the gay population went through back in the day.

As you will notice though, I did not only compare zoophilia rights to gay rights, I compared it to Women's rights, Black Minority rights, and I can even compare it to the rights of ALL people in ALL societies.

To answer your question...
Yes, yes yes yes, I am willing to take on the casualties of war, considering I have been doing it since I realized I was zoosexual.

I am totally aware that it will be a hard battle and I am not saying we should jump out there and start screaming it from roof tops... what I am saying is that I would like to have some ideas and thoughts that could help us benefit and help make rights for responsible zoophiles a possibility.

The only reason zoophilia is ever compared to being gay is because there aren't too many other ways to compare it considering all philias are minority.

But... there is only ONE way to become a majority and that is to start by being a minority, get recognized, and then have rights on the books. Until we can all stand up for the rights we all know we have but are not being given, we face worse consequeces by doing nothing at all.

By doing nothing at all, what little rights that we do have are slowly being stripped away.

:unsure:

to "get recoginized" is to open that door -there is no such thing as an unseen voice -who is it that will stand there and take the wrath of recoginition?

I have to say - it's not going to be me - at least not right now - and my point was that I caution it being you...

there is no harm in this thread and soliciting these ideas - probably a good thing - I was just sending a word of caution - they have killed people for less controversial issues...

I have read through what you two have posted. Lots of ideas and deep thoughts.....

I am remined of what my brother once said to me.
"I got your back....WAY BACK HERE."

In other words if you want a crusade I'll support you. But I will not do anything to openly help you.

I'm not willing to loose MY life over this, and honestly I'm not willing to sacrifice anyone elses life for Zoo rights.

Just my 2 cents, because thats all I can afford.

Did you notice that the world is turning towards more intolerance currently? Extreme religious tendencies make their way, and even rights previously gained by gays are now again being questioned by those who think they are the norms of this world.
The idea of InLuv is OK, but the time is wrong. Trough time, society has changed between different ranges of stringency. Most gay rights were obtained trough a transition to less stringency, now society is moving the othe rway. It would be bad timing to start now.

We will never be able to turn the minds of those who fight against us. We can give the othes, who reallly do not care too much about us a try. We must catch them by occasion, and provide them with information about what we are. We must just remember that they found us by occasion, and noone reads 100 screens on a subject they found on occasion. The information must be sort and precise. With the option of reading more, but still no 100 pages.
That was what made me make my homepage, it deals with more than zoophilia, so that visitors come for other reasons too. In so far my littel private project has been running for one yar now, and I have had no bad experiences about it yet.

We can prepare what whould be done and eventually start with small discrete activities, until the world decides a transition to less stringency again. And give it a full go when it comes to that.

Meanwhile we can do what we can to prevent folks rise against us. Caught fencehoppers and zoosadists, as well as providing the wrong sort of information is what we can do out best to prevent starting right now.

:lol: Yeah, it's Always like this and this is why we will NEVER get the rights and recognition we deserve :lol:

Not once have I asked anyone anywhere to take ACTION or PART in a "Crusade", Rally, Campaign, or anything ... LOL
All I have asked is for people to help by LENDING ME ............

"Wirehair", actually to the contrary... I have noticed more and more people being lenient toward zoophilia and other forms of sexuality these days. The time is never wrong to make things right. Actually it is the best timing to start now considering every day, more states fall prey to the lies of the SPCA and the accidents like in Washington state and we do need to Educate and Enlighten the public about the REALITY of zoophilia so they will THINK and
maybe open their minds a little more. You say we can never turn the minds of those against us... haven't you noticed that the American Psycholgoical Association already HAS?
They once thought the same way as the rest of society but now have come to realize that zoophilia is not a sickness and has since reclassified it to be a "paraphilia" [para means "un-ordinary" and philia means "love"]. Therefore even they have changed their minds on zoophilia and recognize it as simply another form of sexuality [unless it involves harm or self-detriment]
Not only the Medical fields but the media as well shows that zoophilia is being more and more tolerated...

Sudan man forced to 'marry' goat
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm

First Comes Gay Marriage then Comes Bestiality in Massachusetts
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/nov/05111703.html

And these are only two of several articles I have found... :D

All of the people here in BF at one time or another has told the reasons why they think it is right to be zoophilic, the reasons they love their pet partners... they have even posted videos of them personally yet when someone askes for a little idea, everyone takes the offensive... LOL

Everyone says they are so afraid of being hurt [or killed] because of this lifestyle... yet everyone is here in beastforum. Beastforum is a "Community of Zoophiles", so that alone is already taking a step in the right direction..... :D ... just look at how many members you have! Very impressive!... and that alone can help in the long run in regards to statistics.
No one is going to get hurt or killed over any of this because no one is going to be giving real names or showing faces. All I am asking for is IDEAS of how we CAN get recognized in a peaceful, sensible manner that will make the public think again about the lies they are being told by those who oppose.
I am in contact with a person who has the same ideas as I do and would like to start an online community like BF but without pics and vids... he simply wants to make it a "Knowledge Center Adult Forum" for chatting and public enlightenment.

Yes "Wirehair", that is what I am talking about...
"prepare what [can] be done and .... start with small discrete activities" plus
stopping folks rise against us by Educating them in the RIGHT way and by catching "fencehoppers and zoosadists", as well as providing the RIGHT sort of information.
People will never understand us if they never hear our side and see the truth and if we don't help to stop the animal abuse that keeps all eyes on us.

Now come on... I am not asking anyone to stand by me physically or to take part in a rally... all I would like are more ideas on top of what I have that I... notice the letter "I".... may be able to use to help benefit us all in the long run.
Let me do the work, I just want ideas that can help me help us all. The benefits far outway the complications from what I see so far.

No opposition... remember ... :D
We already have enough opposition without us opposing each other... :lol:

This post has been edited by InLuvWithEwe on Mar 13 2006, 12:25 PM

Ok, so let's take it from that end.

First, as I already mentioned, keep the information short and precise, because you can not ecspect "normal" folks to read a lot about things they arre not attentive to. The newspapers like it short and precise too, it will prevent them from editing too much and eventually turn over the contence.

Second, the information we provide may not be offending. Reading our howto's, or pictures would turn most against us. This should be kept for those who wants to know more, and they will find us. The information provided to the public could contain some cases of persons who live with their animal, feel free to use my case.
Experiencing how folks like us live helps the imagination of the public.

Third, who is going to recieve the information. We can never convince the animal rescuers. Then we must do with the rest, who hae not made their minds up yet.
Then again, there are some medias that are more serious working as others. Some would see a zoo a strange item, we could show to the public like a goat with two heads. Buy 5 tomatoes and throw.
Others would even be able to show us like we are; select the right folks in th emedia world. Your link to the MA case was indeed interesting reading. A follow up on that, as the attitude seems openminded, could be an idea.

Fourth, provide information to our own group. Provide information why FH is no good, that we would get as angry as everyone else if someone FH'ed our animals.
Report folks who appear to be zoosadists.
I know you feel sorry about the fella who was caught with that wounded sheep. I do not.
For us here the internet has become a matter of course, if we had no intenet, we would not be here. There are still some folks who have no internet, reasons are not a matter for us to discuss, but just realize it is so. A telephone service could help them. Or a snail mail service. It is important for us to have equals to talk to, the internet is the main source for that, but it should not be the only one.

5.
Some years ago there was a fella known as Dobbin to the zoo world. He wrote some short stories that could be read by everyone, and first turned out to be what they were at the end. They could be read by non zoo's without getting them offended, but make them understand that other world -in a positive light. The film industry has done important steps to help gays, women, and black in the way with their rights. If someone knows someone who's uncle works in Hollywood, that would be fine.

Just one more thing. I feel free to say we, because I also put my head on the block every now and then to prevent a vawe of anti-zoo laws here in Europe. I do not recommend doing nothing at this time, just keep it on moderate speed ahead and not turn things over because we advance too fast.

That is all for now, maybe I will know more when i have slept another night. Best thoughts come at night.

:thinking: My pennys worth.

I agree with all the previous coments. However, i have to wonder. It seems to me that the more attention we bring to this, THE MORE ATTENTION we bring to this. Most people think we are all sick perverts, and should be STOPPED from harming animals physicaly and emotionaly. I repeat, the majority of people, think we are perverts. The more attention broght to this may only get people to realize how many of us their realy is, and therefore a lot more measures will most likely be brought against us. In their insane views of trying to stop us, and protect the public and their pets from us sicko's. I beleave it will just mean lots more and stricter anti-zoo legistration. We may have more freedom quietly in hiding, then we would ever have publicly. :whistling:

You are right about something of that, arctic. SOme information provided previously have had adverse effects. Maybe because the public is not ready to learn about us, or the information provided was wrong, or offensive.

Howto's and porn is certainly not the way to go.

The way to go is to answer the questions when they rise, an not be the one to rise them. That meant both in not being the ones to start the debate, and prevent the debate to start because of caught FH'ers.

Now and then some newsgroups come to discuss zoophilia, and tey say the usual stuff like "it is animal cruelty" and "it is sick". Just a simple question like "how do you know" can calm them down. Or add "did you make bad experiences?" I would even do that with my real name.

Really, I see everyones points as well. You specifically are asking for what is positive about many of us. I can't speak for everyone, really, so this is me and those few close hands on friends I've had for years and years who are zoo.

-Much more attention was put on the feeling of pets.
-We tended to ignore racial and social boundries.
-We joked and spoke openly and honestly about taboo matters of all sorts.
-We tended to try to take charge of our pets wellbeing, rather then take the word of others, and just stick with the norm.
-Until recently, we tended to keep our ideas of pet care to ourselves, unless directly asked by family or friends.
-Notwithstanding in our early days some fencehopping, before meeting other people we knew to have feelings about it, we asked before borrowing equipment, and brought it back clean, and waited until we were offered to ride or drive other horses.
-when we were offered another persons horse to ride or drive, or a dog for hunting for instance, were were very greatful. It was a sign of trust.

Many people I know would greatly disagree with me, and that's cool, but like I've said before, I actually grew up like this, and neither I nor any of my family, nor those people I associated with closely discouraged me. I honestly believe most people who actually love thier animals to some extent do so in some way that if done to a person would either be sexual in nature, maternal, or faternal.

I personally had a hard time comparing this to homosexuality until coming to sites online where the comparison was being made, because it looks much more like other taboos if you ignore the sexuality. It feels much more like a secret society. We are here, but people shouldn't or don't want to know. Another thing it feels like is polygamy, from where I stand. The legal system just can't handle this burden of trying to explain this relationship.

I'm sure if we try we could find ways to help all of society if we got together, and in fact we have right here on this board through the donations we give to animal rescue and right causes. We also establish our own rules, right here, with leadership from the mods and advice from animal health experts on how we can more safely and happily should and can sexually interact with our animals, and animals we might "date".

We can improve, however. More discussion on how others have provided the best for thier pets or animals they date with perhaps a little less then some pet owners. Since we have nearly the sole interest, we might be best able to find ways to prevent having to "fix" animals, which sometimes is a very poor choice. We can provide support to nearly any pet owner or animal rights organization in ways of advice and physical support. We can and do also provide support for people having issues with thier sexuality, social statue, and depression. Who here has never been depressed enough to consider abandoning thier family or even suicide? We can do a lot for the general public, with or without money if we get together and try. Best of all, no one ever needs to know we are zoo if we don't want them to.

Does that help any? Ask me for any help that doesn't assume saying I'm zoosexual, and I'll do it. As far as I'm concerned, asking is rude, and saying can be offensive as well depending on who is in earshot.

I'm a little more optomistic then most people I suppose, but then again, I didn't have to even consider zoophilia, or even define it, until about two years ago. I don't really see what you fellows are seeing.

This post has been edited by grumpygoat on Mar 13 2006, 10:13 PM

A little more just occured to me as well...

-Unless you intend to be shocking, don't talk about exactly the kinds of things you do. Remain ambigious. People are predators, and prey on other people they think are weaker then them, as well as defending themselves if they think they are being attacked. Don't give them cause.
-Don't be assamed of yourself ever. Even if you are, don't make out that you are. Predators, you know. If you act suspicious, you will be suspected of something.
-Don't ever lie about it. If someone asks something too personal, and we know what sort of questions those are, tell them none of thier business. It's not anyway.
-If you also defend your pet the way you defend yourself, they'll stay away. No one wants to get involved with a hard target.
-You might all consider the buddy system who have pets. If you are in a group normally those looking for an excuse to prey on you will look elsewhere.
-Bottom line, taboo to them or not in general society, to some of us it isn't taboo. Don't act like it and treat it as if you would any other part of your family life, and people will not bother you. Respect yourself, and eventually others will respect you as well.

I feel very strongly about the positive aspects to my own and my families love of animals. If anyone is offended by me or mine, while I don't publicly force it on others, my view is they shouldn't have been snooping trying to find something. They are in the wrong regardless if they accuse anyone of anything. Most people stay away from things they don't understand anyway. Anyway, that's how I feel about it. I know it's not a popular view, but people here did stick thier necks out to help me before, and I've done that for friends and family. I don't plan on changing now that I'm just settling in. I'll help if you ask and it's not directly asking me to offend others. Love your site too inluvwithewe, as well as this one.

I have really enjoyed reading your thoughts on opening up this taboo..

i do not know if my thoughts are good enough, but i could come up with a lot of suggestions...

1. As a community firstly, are we concerned that it is not open?


and.. if the answer is yes..

then we need to address how to become more open about it. I really think that people do not want to discuss personal sexual deviances that they enjoy because of public backlash, so what we need to to do is slowly postion beastiality in a good frame of mind - but this may take generations. what i mean is we need to educate that this is just another sexual desire, like sm or scat....

Then, we need to push, like what is happening these days in a turning conservative world, that sexual deisres are healthy, nature and all encompassing - we need ppl to band togeather and say it is okay to do the things we think if in the realm of postive exsistence. What this means is, we can think something, but to think and do something is different. If we can band togeather and act on the doing part, then society may approach us differently...

I think the big thing is education and endorsement - mayby we could find a celeb who likes this sought of stuff to be open and endorse it...

But, likely, this is always goin to be a taboo, but we can change society - because everything has a stigma, because we constructed it to be this way..

We need to crush the stigma, with the next generations and mayby our childrens childrens can enjoy an open society that welcomes sexual desires...

Just a sidekick, maybe use the term zoosexuality rather than zoophilia. For those do not know, and tose who wants to compare us to some other "filia"-thing that users get banned for here, the term zoophilia may be adverse.
Just a thought.