I acctually agree with we may have more freedom in hiding than trying to get the world to accept us for who we are. 155,660 registered members that is not very many people considering the planet has 62 billion people on it or so. Of those 155,660 how many acctually engage in activitys with animals and how many are on here just to look at pics for free or read storys. I will admit at first thats why I was here, it took several months before I admited I have had sex with an animal.
I have seen a few articals in books that cover the topic of zoo or beastiality and one had a relitivly long artical on us, with an interview with a person who practiced it. His/her/there name was never givin and I belive articals like that might be a good start, if any one on here is a phsicietrist (spelling I know) or a shrink or studies human habbits than posably they could examin people from this site I would talk with some one to get a sense for why I am this way maybe I am a sicko perv or maybe it is something deeper. I would like to think it is something rooted deeper, than I do it because it is taboo. Information is power, if we can convice people its not a brain disorder or a chem imbalance in our heads that will goaway with drugs we might stand a chance.
As for finding a celib to come forward for us that might be easy or hard depending on the person heck there might be a few on here and we don't know it. A brain Doctor or shrink might be able to come forward with a study and not reveal that they are a zoo if the study is ripped apart or frowned apon. Of cousre it could back fire if it seems there were lots of us and we should all be locked up, but thanks to the privicy act it is illigeal for a doc to give out the people he sees information so that could shield us some. I know I would lose some friends if they knew I was a zoo so while I would like to know I won't be burned at the stake I would also perfer to keep my friends as well.

:D Now this is what I call "Teamwork" :D

I have been watching this thread because I truely do want to see all of the possible answers I can.
My replies to what all of you have already given is already 2 Word Document pages long so I cannot post it here but I can say I see alot of good points in both directions and the replies are great :D

I will be gathering as much as I can and I will post in the How To's [or where-ever it is allowed] a complete paper on this subject.

If anyone would allow me, I would like to be able to use the finalization in my website and mind you there will not be any names mentioned or anything to get anyone in trouble because I don't want that either. I care about all of you, your feelings, and rights to love your lovers.

To me, this is a personal thing because I am tired of the way humanity treats people regardless of whether they are different nationality, color, sexual preference, ,,, I am just sick of how humanity sets double standards in opposition... "Oh you can't do it because it's against the law... but I can because I am the law" kind of crap, if you get what I am trying to say. Society NEEDS to come to grips and face the fact that there needs to be more care and love and kindness in the world and the only way to get that is through TOLERANCE but in order to have tolerance, the subject must be Tolerable and that is what I am trying to accomplish... Making tolerable information available.

As I said before... fear is what keeps us in the closet, keeps people hating us, and keeps us from advancing.
It will not harm us to become open and I do believe that if everyone saw the same end result I see, they would know that becomming open would greatly benefit us and the future of all zoosexual people.
I have seen many more benefits than repercussions and me, for one, I am tired of having to live a lie to everyone I meet and constantly "Hide" the true me and what I am not ashamed of and proud to be.
If someone hates your religion... you defend it.
If someone hates your clothing... you defend it.
If someone tries to steel your belongings... you defend it.
If someone says you are wrong for voting for a certain person... you defend your right to vote for whom you please.
If someone speaks out against your country... you defend it.
If someone tries to harm your family... you defend them.
If someone tells you to buy this or that but you want to buy something else... you defend that right.
If you are gay, black, white, woman, man, etc and someone tries to change the way you live or think... you defend it.

Therefore... DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO LOVE WHO YOU LOVE!

That is the way I believe and that is what makes all countries FREE... by defending your rights to live life and be free from oppression, not just in sexuality, but in ALL forms of life activity.

"Grumpygoat", I really admire your reply as to the suggestions.
I too don't see where actually ever having to tell anyone you are zoo makes any difference because anyone can be zoo, as we know already, and even those who you don't know about can be damn good people... Yes there are so many ways we can all help society with support and advice... if zoosexuality is ever made legal in all areas, we can offer advice to the SPCA and other [SPAM] when they have issues regarding abuse cases and so forth.

That is what I am trying to accomplish here. I am not trying to say we need to be able to yell "Im a Zoophile"... we just need to be able to legally love the way we love. If no one ever finds out anyone is a zoosexual, great, and if they do, that was your own choice to tell.

Keep em coming... this is great :D

This post has been edited by InLuvWithEwe on Mar 15 2006, 09:27 PM

First of all, and I know this is being repetitive, but I'll say it again: we need to drop the euphemisms.

This is about sex with animals, not loving them. Loving your pet is socially acceptable and completely encouraged. Having sex with them is seen as on par with molestation and rape (not sure if those words are banned).

As long as people talk about wanting it to be okay to "love your pets" you're not going to go anywhere. Who's going to argue that, no, you should hate your animals?

As to the bigger question of "how can we destigmatize this," you can't. It's something that you simply cannot do. Society must come to terms with it, like American society is slowly coming to terms with homosexuality. And the way society comes to terms with it is simply through knowing individuals in the minority group, and realizing that, hey, they're not bad people.

I'm a (wannabe) beasto-phile, and an atheist. I have some knowledge of what it's like to belong to a group that society absolutely does not, and will not, accept.

Not really. Some see it that way, but you will find folks herearound who really love their animals. Oh yes, you will hear a dog owner say "I love (name)", the reason being that he won something today.
The zoophile love starts where you feel for an animal what "normal" folks feel for another human, wo the tell to be in love with. There are some relationships between humans based on sex only. These are poor relations, that tends to break apart. I am not talking abot them, but those relations where there is more than sex, a feeling of being united in life.
If you dont see it, does not mean that it does not exist. There is more to life than sex. Also in this world of ours.
Some of us sees this love, may have experienced it. It can not be downloaded.

Of course, loveless sexual relationships tend to be unfulfilling. They're not morally wrong (unless you belong to a religion which tells you that, but since most religions condemn pet lovers to death, I'd be really careful about claiming religion as a justification), but yes, they tend to end up in disappointment.

But what about sexless love relationships? In other words, platonic love? What is it about the zoophile's love that's somehow "better" or "deeper" than the normal pet owner's love, if you remove the sexual component?

See, I've never, ever known a responsible pet owner who didn't love their pet as much as any member of their family. Many, many people I've known have loved their pets as much (sometimes more) than any human being, and (if the statistics on pet sex are accurate) 90+% of these are not having sex with their pets.

Simply put, the "zoophile" community has no stranglehold on loving their pets. What differentiates a "zoophile" from a "non-zoophile" is simply that zoophiles have sex with their pets, too. Unless I'm missing something -- are their zoophiles who are non-sexual? In which case, how is "zoophilia" any different from any normal pet owner who loves their dog?

I've never seen a good answer to this question; just folks either ignore it or they attack the messenger (reinforcing my belief that ther is no answer). I'll restate it here just to be clear:

If you take sex out of the picture, how is 'zoophilia' any different from the relationship of a normal pet owner who deeply loves his/her pet and treats them as a member of the family?

[Edited for clarity and to better address the poster's point.]

This post has been edited by atomx on Mar 15 2006, 10:48 PM

In you first statement you overlooked that pretty much, but ok. There are platonic, there are sex-only etc.

Many pet owners love is pretty much on the surface. They love thier pets bcause they brig them prices, gives access to "fine clubs", you name it. Sometimes these pets do not meet what it takes to get first prices, give access to clubs etc. Such pets runs a high risc of getting abandoned.
In fact, my oldes dog disappointed his first owner on a dog show and got the kick. I took him, and got a good loving companion, we developed a love that does not need to be verified with CACIB's end such.
I do not think of the zoophile love as better, because there are cases where the owner exploit his animal to meet his own wants.
It is just that you stated that "This is about sex, not loving them". Just know that I disagree on that, because i have experienced someting better than your statement.

I disagree as well that this is about sex. It's not. I don't have sex with animals really. I haven't for many years. I have had sex with woman, even one that I love. What I'm personally saying is I find grooming a horse more satisfying then sex with any person. Additionally, I find interation with certain horses sexually arousing. I don't need the sex for those things to happen. And as well I have had sex with other them people, I enjoyed it, and I want to enjoy again. That's not the same as saying I want to find a horse as a sex partner. I don't know really. We aren't really defined. I think here we are defining people who want sex with animals as beastie, and those who find themselves engaged enough with some animals to be willing to have sex with them as zoo. That makes me zoo, and I think InLuvWithEve zoo, our friend Hammie I'd call zoo, maybe atomx is beastie; and lots of stages in between. I just say neither way is really wrong, just strange for the average joe.

I've actually heard the same arguement before regarding heterosexual relationships. I think the implication was also same race and national origin. One man or woman says they are in love, and his or her friend says no such thing. I'm guessing the feeling is a little different for all of us, and it's not and it's not very clearly defined.

I can kinda understand your statement on this because it seems to be based on your experience with a few owners... :) but remember that you are experiencing this with only a few people.. I do not see where you can say your(or any zoos) love for your animal is any better than the love my mother had for her dog.. her dog did not bring her fame or fortune or prizes nor did he provide her with any sexual release... but he gave her unconditional love and companionship! and when he passed away a few months ago she grieved just like when my dad passed away.. her dog was her son! and MANY MANY MANY people feel the same! I would die inside if my girl died.. and I am not active with her.... :(

I grew up with animals.. many animals yet I only just discovered there was a sexual side to this! :inlove: I didnt all of a sudden decide that becasue I was aroused by a male dog I would love my animals more.. I have loved all my pets with my whole heart! even before all of this... :wub:

no one is trying to stop us from loving our pets... :heart: in fact many encourage it! what the majority object to is our sexual relations with said pets.. that is what they feel is wrong and they cant understand that it is consensual... :dots:

InLuvWithEwe.. I wish you luck on your search for the answers to this issue... I am sorry :sorry: I cant agree with you or fight with you.. this will always be a secret for me with most people... :ph34r:

This post has been edited by wyldfyre67 on Mar 17 2006, 10:04 AM

Sometimes i just put things on the sharp edge.
I just wanted to make out the difference of love and love. When your mother said she loved her dog, she did not mean having sex.
I had a fella here who did not know the difference between love and sex. The love your mother had to her dog is fine with me. So is the love that many zoos have to their - loved ones.
But when I hear "this is about sex wit animals, not loving them" i get concerned. Now the talk is about a sex toy, not a living creature.
Reading my last post here, I see that I missed that point. Still, I think, your mother's love to her dog, and my love to my dog, along with many other folks here and elsewhere is a better love than "this is about sex wit animals, not loving them". Reading that, my keyboard airbag went off, sorry.

I think I'm getting a clearer picture, but still what I envision is the desire instead of the act. They don't really go hand in hand. I find I don't need another individual for myself. Just so happens neither do these two boys. But its still fun for all when we "flirt"; still not really sex. It's sex for them, but not for my wife and I to collect semen as well, but that doesn't mean none of us can enjoy doing it. We don't actually do anything a friend would find sick, or object to, but we would be frowned on for doing it in public, and I personally can really get into it. If he is really enjoying it, I won't object to having sex with him. I don't personally find anything at all wrong with that. It seems natural to me for all the relationships with any animals including people be varied and dynamic. The trouble is there is a fine, yet fuzzy line between what is acceptable and what is not. Now I know collecting semen for evaluation is O.K, while going down on him isn't, but that gray zone in between is where the line is lost, and I don't think anyone is just going to find it. Is it O.K. to drink the semen after collecting, and if not why not? If you find your mouth is the best tool you have for collecting semen, why not use it and spit the sample on the slide?

This a tiny sliver or the tiny part that is actually sexual. I assumed from the definition there was going to be a lot more grooming, bonding, bragging, and riding for a zoo; not to mention picking muck, fence building, feeding, calling the vet and waiting up all night with a sick one, and the list really goes on. I was assuming good husbandry was part of zoophilia, and further it's our opinion zoosexuality can enhance husbandry skills. It's something to be proud of, whether your jerk neighbors feel more important then you or not for being straight.

But like all the wise old zoos here have said, and I put it seperate so it doesn't get lost, we really shouldn't talk about it to nonzoos. They aren't going to understand that any more then they are going to understand if you really do just desire a dog as a play thing. Lots and lots of people can't conceive of anything but people, and sometimes only a certain race, sex, or nationality, as being living feeling beings, and they will argue with you until blue in the face. Yeah, be proud of being zoo, don't be ashamed of being zoosexual, but for the love of Pete don't tell anyone. Makes me think of a bird and cat story.

I might still yet be wrong on the definitions of love and zoophilia as well, so don't beat me up too bad. They really aren't very well clearly defined.

I agree that euphemisms may be inappropriate at times but they are necessary in a society that deems it necessary to "define" everything. By defining things, we can associat and/or relate and in that, we can understand what it is being defined.
Therefore, as someone else posted... the use of the term "Zoosexuality" is more befitting.
I agree with that because we have hetero, homo, bi, trans, and a few others that right now, sinse I haven't had enough coffee in me yet, I can't think to well... :lol:
So, why not add Zoosexuality to the list.

To Clerify: THIS IS NOT about sex with animals but the right of people to love their pet companion [even in that way if they so choose].

Again, I plan on creating a dissertation/essay in response to all of this plus using much of the other information and some of the arguments I have both for and against. The dissertation/essay will be offered for FREE download on my website once completed.

I personally think this has been a wonderful and insightful thread.

So far, it has been debatable, yet it has remained calm... so please, let's keep it that way :D

I haven't read many threads of this nature here because they usually tend to get out of hand but I would be willing to bet that this one is the only one so far of this topic that has actually brought about some decent approaches and conversation.

For that, I am thankful and it proves that this CAN work... slowly. :D

This post has been edited by InLuvWithEwe on Mar 17 2006, 05:58 PM

It turned out, that I wil meet a Journalist on Sunday, he would like to know about my life as a zoo, and he has prepared me on somw of his questions. Hee apperas to be well prepared, and serious.
I will reply here when I know what comes out.
If I dont post here after sunday, please someone feed my dogs..

you are very couragous.

What can we do?
- Contact the serious researchers and participate in their studies. Dr. Hani Miletski for example. I understand that there are sessions about understanding zoophilia and zoosexuality in a Sexology conference in San Franscisco. There are other researchers in the midwest. Professionals and academics lay the groundwork for better tolerance and dispelling the lies.

- Support politicians and causes that are neutral or friendly to our causes. (ie; in the UK - the Blair government attempted to decriminalize bestiality in the revision of the criminal codes) Vote for anyone running against sponsors of bills that make us criminals. Avoid giving money or time to those who will use those resources against us (HSUS, Animall legal defense fund, PETA, etc) - give it to others instead, or if you give enough - get on the boards of Directors and point out that they should have other priorities than a few sheep boinkers.

-Network. Make friends within the zoosexual community. The more isolated we are, the more alone we feel.


Publicity has worked against us almost everytime so far: Jerry Springer, BBC, every arrest and trial in the news. We need model level attractive, highly educated and credentialed (lawyer, phD, etc) lobbyists or spokespeople and funds to support them. Mark Matthews (aka; Hossie, George) had formed a zoo assistance organization ZOO, anyone know what became of it? Hossie (Mark Matthews) also did fairly well at dispelling much of the heat he got when he was promoting his book and scored points that made him a real person and not a demon or a stereotype (even though he wasn't a model, or credentialed).

Good thread BTW.

I have attempted to provide a thoughtful and brief answer to each one of your questions or points. I hope that this may shed some light on my views

Your thoughts and feelings as to why you believe zoosexuality is right"

Being a Zoo is right because it is who we are, what we are, our heart and soul and every part of our being. This is not a choice or a preference, it just IS.

Your observations of animals in regards to consent/disapproval"

Animals certainly can consent to sexual activity, even initiate it. They also can decline in several ways, one being with their teeth.

Thoughts on how to approach the subject in society"

We do not need to broach the subject in general society. This would present a grave danger to anyone that is "outed". I tould be far worse than coming out as Gay back in the 50's and early 60's.

Ideas on ways to bring the subject into a good light that society will see as good"

I don't believe in our lifetime, Society will see any act of sex between humans and animals as a good thing. I think it will only decrease the little tolerance that a few non zoos may hold for us now.

"Ways a zoosexual person can benefit society"

A zoo can benefit society the same way that any other person of good character can, and that is by helping our fellow human being, no matter what their religion, color creed, national origin or sexual preferences happen to be!

Ways that zoosexuality does NOT hinder or affect society as a whole"

Zoosexuality does not hinder society in general. It may hinder individulas in the event that a zoo may be "fence hopping" and using their animal without permission. Overall, society is still rather oblivious to the whole hidden world of zoosexuals. The few cases where there have been public outcrys is when someone gets caught and is prosecuted, then the media has a field day.

Ways that the governments and legal systems can recognize the differences between zoosexuality and abusive behaviour"

Even the most liberal of governments have policies in place to protect animals and I don't think that most will see the difference of intimate sexual contact verses rape, unforunately.

Ideas that can help create laws that are fair for everyones concern including the animal's"

We don't need laws created to be fair or balanced, as that again, most likely will not happen in our lifetime. I think that we just need to maintain an aire of discretion, while maintaing our love for animal partners.

Ideas for laws that are similar to the laws human relationship must follow"

Unforunately, I don't believe that there will ever be laws governing relationships with animals on a "human style' level. Animals may communicate with us in their own unique way, but they will never be able to accept marriage or divorce, as they can sign any contracts. You need opposable thumbs for that!

This is an interesting topic and I hope more people add their thoughts. Remember, our thoughts belong to us and no one is wrong when it comes to thoughts!

This post has been edited by danethruster on Mar 18 2006, 09:37 PM