Why not neuter... I have had all but two of my dogs spayed or neutered... the last two are show dogs that is why they are not fixed.

Spay/Neuter isn't all that bad, and it's one subject that many people tend to anthromorphise about.

Neuticals anyone? :P

Everybody is making this more difficult than it needs to be.

If the vet asks, just say yes, but I have to save the money first. Believe me, the vet will drop it.

If you get your pet from a shelter, you are screwed since they can often force you to neuter your pet, or will take it away from you).

If friends or family ask, who cares? Doesn't matter what you say. They shouldn't have much interest your pets reproductive parts anyway.

BTW, Vasectomy, on a dog? Good luck convincing your vet to perform that procedure. In my opinion, anyway. It's far easier to neuter, since few vets have performed a vasectomy, and most vets do neuters every week and can do it with their eyes closed. I'm just saying, I don't think you're going to have much luck, and it sure sounds suspicious. You WILL be questioned if you ask for this.

B)

I've had a dog that was clipped a while ago and I have a dog now that is not. My previous dog was just that....very lazy and very fat. No matter what I fed him or how I tried to get him roused for exercise the dog was just lazy. I loved him anyway and very much so, but I knew that his being fat and lazy were a direct result of his castration (no sense in candy coating it. Thats the word....castrated).

My GSD I have now is NOT fixed, he's trim, he's energetic and he's an absolute delight to be around! His health is astounding. He can jump six feet straight up from a standing position to get into the large truck I sometimes rent for work and he gets to go for a ride. He's eight years old and shows no sign of slowing down at all. All of this is the reason I will never cut again.

I'm always astounded at the amount of people who ask _very accusingly_ why he hasn't been "neutered". I think maybe Bob Barker did his job maybe a little too well. People seem to think a male dog with the "dangly bits" still attached is some sort of freak.....unnatural even.

"Makes em fat and lazy" as a response seems to work every time so I'd just stick with that and move on.

easy 1. would you want your manhood disabled? 2. If it aint broke dont fix it 3. You want your dog to be happy 4. Its his decision!

Just lost my post
probably a good thing..

Hopefully it will stay lost

The short version.

Castration is an exceptable thing.
If you want to have at it your choice.
I have helped cut many a horse and they were the better or as well for it.
The parties agreed and in some cases we would have refused sale if not.
That said
My animals are mine.
Till you can tell me why and how you will care for my property better than me keep your opinions to your self.
People love to control others its a control thing they cant resist.
One breeder changed one breed of horse for ever a wile ago.
His right? He has all the money he bought it he does what he wants.

But watch your back If we do not protect our right to choose we will loose it.
Remember california for what they tried to do because they will try again in a state near you..

Now I am going to scratch some real balls on real horses.

Rus

I highly doubt there was any sinister intent behind the state's actions. They were simply trying to combat the rampant problem of having to destroy hundreds of thousands of unwanted dogs and cats every year. I'm sure they didn't have zoo's on their mind when they drafted the legislation. :wacko:

This post has been edited by silkythighs on Jul 26 2007, 05:51 AM

haha, i was straying away from the S&N topic... again. but it just keeps popping up :D

The thing to remember is there is no 1 clear cut answer... what is best for some or most, is not for all. HOWEVER, people should be given unbiased information when making the decision.

The problem is there is such a strong pull to prevent more overpopulation any negative to S&N for the dog itself is lost in the push to prevent more unwanted animals. Technically, a well intended goal, but the problem is more then just to many unfixed pets, it is to many irresponsible owners.

The problem with not telling the public of any negatives then no one questions it and then those people end up pushing it on others, whether it is from people constantly asking if you are going to S&N or laws forcing you to... they see any owner that isn't a breeder with an unfixed pet as an irresponsible owner... I mean come on, it has no negatives, just positives and prevents overpopulation, who in their right mind wouldn't do it?

Except that there are negatives, and some feel it isn't justified if they can keep their pets under control... even if they have an accident... the problem isn't with the responsible person who has an accident once, it is the people who have repeated mistakes and still dont watch or alter their pet, aren't educated in general dog sexual behaviour, unable to afford S&N and dont look for alternatives, dump their pet off somewhere when they dont want them (which causes plenty of unwanted breeding), fail to grasp a pet is for LIFE and not just until the cuteness wears off, you get tired of it, or becomes burdensome.

Remember, the owner should be fully informed about how their pet will be effected... not just fed biased information, and for many or even most people they should probably do it, but it is their decision.

Check out here, for more info and studies, http://saveourdogs.net/health.html

Now we are getting to a good point..

We have a population problem in shelters I understand all that.

I also understand the thinking
We as voters [riotous mob they can be] do not like it so cut of there balls.

I actually agree
But

Keep it to the shelters.
My animals are not un loved nor ever un wanted.
Leave my animals alown.

The price of not keeping a lid on who gets there selves wacked is loosing.
Look at the guy on fox news
His dog is out on $10,000 bond, court date in the fall and his dog may still loose his nuts.
This could happen to any of us who travle through NY.
This is wrong

You let the state cut of one ball they will want all the balls.
The shelter wants to neuter a dog before releasing it your choice.

Watch your back people your dogs balls depend on it..
The law always works in strange ways

Rus

In the city I live in, Saint Paul, Minnesota, dog and cat owners are REQUIRED to have thier pets neutered/spayed when they adopt from ANY animal shelter, the same goes for Minneapolis.

Almost every apartment complex, large or small, private or corporate, does not allow large or giant breed dogs on the premesis, as this violates their rental agreements. The place I live in now, I'm allowed to have cats. I have a six year old cat, neutered. He was already neutered when I adopted him in 2003, at age two.

As a cat owner since 1987, and growing up around cats since I was an infant, to me, the only reason for neutering a male cat is to eradicate the "spraying" behaviour, which, as any cat owner will tell you, smells so VERY bad and is hard to remove completely.

The apartment I live in, according to the lease agreement, I would have my security deposit ($480.00 USD) forfeited if brought another animal into my apartment, even if it was a friend bringing their dog over, just to VISIT ME. AND, I would have to come up with ANOTHER $480.00 (USD) within 48 hours to replace what I forfeited, or I would be in breach of my lease agreement, and would be evicted.

So, according to those terms, were I to find a stray animal, I couldn't do anything about it, not even to take it in and call around to find it's owner, even if the animal was in my apartment for merely 5 minutes. I'd have to leave it there, possibly to be hurt or killed.

Even if one isn't a zoo, someone who loves animals would be torn with an arrangement like what happens where I live. The only way I could see getting around having a dog neutered or spayed in the cities of Saint Paul or Minneapolis that I wanted to adopt from a shelter, would be to purchase a breeder's license. That's the ONLY way I can see getting around the required "fixing" when adopting from an animal shelter.

As far as I know, there are thousands of shelter animals in St. Paul & Minneapolis, and they all deserve to be adopted by caring humans, whether Zoo or just an animal lover. But, the only other option to buying a breeder's license, is to adopt from a private party.

This "dog" has always wanted to own a dog, but, due to other people's neglect of their companions, he (as well as all of you who cherish thier companions) have to suffer.

Iono..just a few thoughts to ponder, I guess :sigh: :(

That commet hits it right on the nail! Also if it's a woman, ask her how she think it'd feel to have ovaries removed. I think it's inhumane, I tell people that the most nerve endings are right there, and it is unfair and brutal to do practice such operations. The females are always more agressive so using the "well it wIll make him less agressive" excuse is just that, an excuse. If you can't control your dog's lust, then you shouldn't have a dog. I guess there is always the possibility of a fence hoping female, but there is always an alternative to ruining a dog's family marbles.

1. Lay down right here and let me cut your balls off. No? I thought so.

2. I may want a puppy or two some time.

3. Just don't feel like it.

Look
castration is not the worst thing to happen to an animal..
I have prosided over many a horse gelding.
There is little pain involved after the opperation and since most were done with the horse under heavy but standing sedation with the testiucles nerves blocked the horse is realy not very upset at all.
The most pain is setting the nerve blocks. If you do not hit them in the right place and order the horse will hit you. He is not stuped it hurts to have a neadle pushed into your testicle.

The critter walks off and resumes eating grass..

Cared for properly the swelling is no problem as well.

There are a hundred reasons to geld very few to keep a stud.

It is a shame shelters are in crices. The humans put them there and are a major issue.
If I go to a shelter I relise what is going to happen and when I pick up the dog that is that.
On the other hand if I buy a papered animal of good quality and it is fully assembled the property is mine. As long as I provide adiquite care and a fenced yard the animal is my business. The animal slips the fence the fence gets repaired. Animals are animals they do un expected things.
No matter what the animal is my business.

People have a nasty way of getting there way controling others because the control makes sence. We buy a drivers licence for reasonable money to cover the costs of that system which assures we can control the car and stop at stop signs.
No problem
I hold firearms licences to carry, same thing. Right makes sence
But
A state who does not want me to carry there has by constitution no choice but to make the licencing available.
Fine I have one licence in force a simple recordscheck will show my life to the issuing athority. Take a nother picture pay the fee good to carry for one year unless I loose my 4 year home state licence that cost me $50 dollars.
That out of state licence costs now $150 a year no renewals. Not fine the state does not want me, they try to price me out or stop carring.
This is wrong...
Years ago I had to sell a wonderfull stud because the stables where he would be safe were not alawed to have stallions in the town that were not there own. Town ordance.
Not fine

My dog lived on the edge of town on very large tract of land. He never had a licence never came up till he needed quills removed on a sunday night. The vet not any of our regular ones knew he had balls and turned him in to the town. They had to inquire and I said I would get him his tag. That tag cost 4 times the neutered tag fee and I was admonished to get it done to save money.
Do I sound happy.

People will get your dogs balls from behind if you do not watch..
Shelter dogs fine.
Despite I am a hated person, who ownes animals with balls I know how to care for them put in the time so we need to leave there balls to my choice.

I do not force people to keep there animals balls but if we do not defend our personal right to our balls we will loose them.

Rus

This post has been edited by rus80 on Jul 28 2007, 07:03 PM

Hmmm, one that that seems to happen when this topic comes up is that people almost always talk about dogs.... cats rarely come up, but they are a bigger problem then dogs. I think for cats S&N should be considered even more since they can more easily get out, survive on their own, hard to catch, and less likely to be found and returned if lost. Not to mention a cat in heat or a spraying male can be hard to keep control of. What should be done still varies per person/cat, but I think it should be considered a bit more.

Yea, and in the case of mandatory s&n laws, the "normal" person has no way of getting an intact permit, no courses, no extra fees, nothing. The only way they can keep an intact pet is if they meet specific guidelines (breeder, show/work dog), there is no option to learn how to take care of an intact pet... even if there were fees for courses/intact permit, I could handle that... but NO option at all? Come on...

This post has been edited by Gryph on Jul 28 2007, 11:04 PM

I have one dog that is fixed.. and one that isnt.. and the one that isnt fixed seems to be alot more content with himself and active overall. i think its a good idea not to neuter but i dont think this is a good reason to tell someone if youre trying to be persuasive.

Thirteen and a half years that dashingly handsome arctic devil on my profile spent with me. Eight years of it was across the street fron a PETA member that worked for the Humane Society part time and for many of those years would spew her dogamatic(no pun intended) tirade about me not being a responsible pet owner because I didn't "fix" him(I didn't know he was broken) I said in thirteen and a half years he never reproduced a single pup(saddly I would have loved to have had a son of his). and how could this be irrisponsible on my part?

Her response was how could I know he hadn't? Had he ever gotten out? I said yes. So how could I be sure? I explained that in all those years with the exception of when he stayed home in the house which was rare, he was never more that 100 feet away and never left my side(the loyalty of dogs is inmeasurable and I miss his singing).

Now this is a person who claims "animals have rights" yet would gladly steal them to feel better about it.

I wonder if these same people would feel the same if it were about humans. "Oh, I'm sorry your homeless you need to be sterilized". Or you commited a crime, were diabetic,looked funny, or what ever other criteria or excuse they want to come up with that would require you to be sterilized. I think their views would change rather quickly.


Just as with ourselves.children and pets, we all decide what is best for them wheather you cut or not. For the kindest and most natural life of a pet ,my opinion and vote is for "intact".