ok - sorry - i posted without reading everything posted before in this thread...
And i just want to say, that i agree with all you others who think that many fence-hoppers are bad, selfish people - and i also hate them for forcing animals to have sex or just for beeing careless towards them!
i consider myself as a zoophile in that way that i love animals! and all i said to justify fence-hopping before is only true if you imagine the situation of a thinking and feeling human acting!!!

You fence hop into a field, in the dark, with several horses around you, there is a good chance you are gonna get hurt one day (er, night)....and it could be real bad. And if you have no experience working around horses in the first place, then you probably do not even have a clue what really could happen to you!

Say there is a mare you "think" really likes you after a few night visits. You both are in the middle of doing it when another horse in the field walks over to check out whats going on. Now this mare is the "boss" horse, and gives the other that look with ears pinned back that says "keep away", but that horse gets even closer. Next thing you know, that mare decides to try and kick out at that horse...and guess who really gets kicked, huh, wanna guess? It could happen that fast.

I have been working around horses for over 34 years and even with all that experience, there is always a chance that something could happen. I got injured yesterday working in my aisle with one of the small school ponies. Was trimming that ponies ears when suddenly he started to backup, which then pulled out one of the crossties from the wall, which then flew back and hit that animal right in the face. At that moment the pony quickly turned around and kicked out at me. I tried to move away but got one good kick on the back side of my right leg just above the knee.

If you want to see what a single kick from a small pony (that does not even wear horseshoes in the back) can do to you, check out the attached photo of what it did to me.....now think what would happen with a 16+hand horse wearing horseshoes.

I am posting this picture as a "warning" to all these fence hoppers on what could happen to YOU!

I do have some good news about this...my barn gave me the next few days off, with pay! :lol: .... :pinch:


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I hope your gonna be ok pall. Let this be a lesson to all of you!! :read the rules:

Well at least you get payed right? :P

I cannot believe the nerve of some of these people. But where I live its pretty common. One guy where I work was arrested for it, never would have guessed it either he was a harly dude. But the point is he was caught, it spread thru work the guy was so humiliated that he quit. But that wasnt enoogh of a deterrent, there is a manager who was caught several times with a cow, his wife and children were humiliated, they got a divorce and the wife and kids had to move. People need to think about what they are doing.

Ham, thanks for the warning. Sorry to hear about the accident.

ok ok. thank you for the warning - i know u ment well with me. i dont want to say this as an excuse, but i worked for one and a half year at a pony-riding-farm when i was a teen (at that time i was not that active and didnt even know what zoophile means).
but its still a dilemma: after experiencing so many beautyful moments (spending so many nights :D ) i would have to stop all actions of the "beastiality-type" if i tried stopping fence-hop! could you? as i said before: i have no other possibility to "get closer" with an animal, because i dont have pets (and cant right now) and i dont know any people (in this city) who have pets where i could go and be alone whith them or whatever...
i once had a friend who let me strike his dogs cock - but he moved away and the dog was castrated (right word?) because of cancer (poor boy).

I agree with you. It needs to be repeated. I don't think he (or other fence hoppers) will ever want to get what you're saying, though.

This is looking an awful lot like a one-sided argument because contradicting it at all makes you look like a monster, and I can sort of see why the poster was so defensive about it. Just saying "if you cared, you wouldn't do it!" isn't answering much. It's too simplified. What about anyone that can't own animals, due to expense, age, time constraints, etc? Ask someone to share? That's not exactly a casual question to pose to someone, rude at the very least, and the response I've seen to it is pretty hostile most of the time.

I do have to say that responses like skin2 and hambletonian's warning are what I think *should* be filling this thread. Not, "I'd gladly shoot you for trying it", how about emphasizing the fact that there's so many stories of abusive night visitors that owners aren't going to take any chances?
Fence-hopping is somewhat intrusive and disruptive, but flat out dismissing it isn't giving an answer. Explain that it's incredibly risky and why, or tell people like this to get to know and understand their critters better before trying anything.

So, my advice after being threatened and harassed by alpha mares: Meet with them from the other side of the fence FIRST. In the daytime if possible. Hardly any owners will begrudge a passerby from petting the horses, and if they do you can be damn sure that they're unconditionally off-limits at night too. Get to know them, see who's who, find out which ones are friendly. If they don't come over to meet you at the fence, later on you'd just be trespassing on the owner *and* the horses.

ok, i can honestly see both sides of this.........

just 1 week before i got into the military, i finally gave in to the fact that I AM A ZOO! (i was in denial all my life tell that point)

any way, in the military, you spend more time away from home then at it (depending on what branch you are in, and world events) this combined with the fact that you move about every year, almost always live on base, and have a rather small income, leads to the inevitable fact that i can not own a horse at this time :(

however, i have never, and will never go and get it on with some one else’s horses :edit(with out permission first) for many reasons, most have already been mentioned. There is one factor that has yet to be brought up though. What if the owner of that animal is a zoo too........ a zoo with.........say an STD. now say you get it on with his favorite animal that he just serviced earlier that day.....

the 2nd thing i want to make clear, even though i will probably not be able to get myself a mare for a period of 8 YEARS or MORE, if and when i do, i will protect it with my life....... just like any of my buddies now........

now on the other hand, if some one suspects that i am a zoo, and they are a zoo too...... and ask if they can spend some time with my mare, i would probably let them......that is after i get to know them better. (I would probably make them where a rubber though) however, if any one comes with out permission, like one of the earlier posters, i am VERRY familiar with fire arms, and will not hesitate to use them.

i don’t mean to threaten any of you, i am just trying to explain how i feel about this....to get any fence hopers to understand where people are coming from. If I can control myself for that long, im sure you can at least hold off long enough to find a more sensible option.

This post has been edited by he who loves horses on Sep 16 2005, 06:56 AM

Like many others ive worked with/around horses for awhile, and yes, ive spent my share of evenings with them both sexually and otherwise. I owned a stallion, and due to my work hours would go riding at night quite often, thus it wasnt uncommon for my car to be parked out by the barn/pasture long after the owners of the stables were asleep. Until i could get him gelded 9that sucked by the way, barn rules though) he had to remain in the stall. Well there were mares on all sides and needless to say the sexual tension in the barn was pretty think between him and the mares. So, one evening i decided that the mare i'd been cleaning up after next to him (got a cut on the boarding rate by doing chores for full boarders) was showing all the right signals, and yes, i responded in kind.
So in that way i fencehopped. I dont try to justify it, it happened and thats all there is to it. The only thing i will say is this, never once did i consider tying her up or forcing anything upon her, nor was it simply for the sex, as we had a great relationship for years afterwards with NO sex at all. Though me and my horse played often.

I dont believe in trespassing on someone elses property just to get your rocks off with thier horses because you dont have the time/desire/whathaveyou to get a horse of your own, you mentioned the "thrill" well based on that one statement you in my opinion qualify for placement in the catagory of the ignorant fools who cause more harm to both the animals involved (i.e. you LEFT a black painted ladder in a pasture full of horses) and this lifestyle as a whole. Unlike the others who warned you to be careful lest you get caught, i for one wish the horses owners luck in catching you before you hurt one of the horses you obviously care so little about.
Id dearly love to spend that type of quality time with a horse again, but until i can once again get my own, ill due without.

Guns

I'd say I have to agree with most of the members who have replied to this post. Fence hopping in general is just not a good idea. Find another way. If you truly care about these animals, and care about their safety or your own, you won't risk it, plain and simple.

This post has been edited by horseybuttsdrivemenuts on Sep 18 2005, 03:51 AM

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Did any of you folks stop to consider how much an animal costs? $800-$1200 then another 300 bucks minimum for feed, small barn, $2000, and land to keep the animal. And that's cheaper than a woman. Lets face it, not one in a million of us will ever be so lucky as to have a woman who shares our interests.
A mare doesn't ask where you've been, or demand you visit a mother in law. There's a lot of fun in sneaking a free bee at night. The risk makes it fun. The owner isn't banging his own animals, so basicly, you're the one and only. You and the mare have a little evening fun, no one gets hurt. Horses are expensive to keep, and lets face it, most of us can't afford one or have a place to keep one. I'm not going to marry her, only enjoy an evening interlude. That's not at all unlike the human race.

FENCE HOPPERS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He who hasn't fenced hopped before may cast the first stone.

Well not the best phrase. Anyway Fence hopping is bad. I have been guilty of it as well but I do know this. Everytime I did it I felt bad like it haunted me for a while. I have a deep connection when around animals. Generally I just like to walk up and hug and caress with usually no intention of sex. I have not been kicked but I did know the danger. Here is one major reason you should consider. A lot of newer technology is available to these horse farms/owners. These are digital camers. They are tiny now and can be placed just about anywhere. A lot of places are using them for security. Most people just do not want to get up at 2 am in the morning to find someone on the property. Now even worse they can now film you and if your in a state where its illegal then you get hit with not only trespassing but offered up on a list as a sex offender. Now picture this its plastered on the paper, your wife/girlfriend knows, your boss knows, now all those friends know. How could you live with that? To make things worse you would be watched when ever your near animals by those who know. Some have catagorized fence hoppers with Zoophiles and then Pedifiles. Despite that they are different. In their minds if your willing to risk breaking the law and having sex with an animal... well you get the idea. Where I live its labled as Beastiality. The law is vauge and I did a little research on it. I do not fence hop. Its been years since I have been with any animals. If I can deal with the lonly days then so can the rest. I really hate having to hide my zoo self from others. Now back to the cameras. I was caught tresspassing back when I did fence hop. This was a bad experience and I havn't done it since. The police said the owners had cameras. Mabe its a bluff or mabe its the truth. Are you willing to risk it? Animals have feelings similar to us. They do not know about laws or other silly things. They do know how you feel and what is basically going on. Rember they have senses that rival dogs! Yes they have exelent smelling ability. They can smell a mare in heat a great distance away. Humans give off smells to. horses will know when you are near and what mood your in. I once heard of a woman who would do equine massage therapy to a horse owner. When she showed up and got out of the car. They would come running in knowing she was there. They were a good distance away too.

Wow just looked back and realized that I typed a bunch.

Ok last thing. I can for about 100 bux go to the store and buy a night vision device. The horse owners can too. This means no matter what your wearing they can see you. There are some camreas that are sensitive to infrared. This invisible light will make it look like day.

My word of advice is not to do it. Save your time and energy to obtaining a good education into ownership and get your own place. Then you will be able to be at peace knowing that you don't have to rush. You can develop a strong bond rather than a quickie. Your neighbors are your only resorce when you need things living out in the country. If you ruin that friendship and upset them they will not be very willing to help you out of a bad situtuation.


Ok I think I wrote enought.
heh I feel like writing a novel now. :P

I hope this helps and sheads more light on the subject. We need more folks to be respectfull and represent us in better light.

Epony -- The horse listener --

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:thinking: err unless they are zoo - why would they suspect?????

don't answer that here - think this is a good topic for a new thread :smartass:

I like to think that people can respect other people's property rights and not trespass. The amount of damage you can unknowingly do to someone's animals (and the damage they can inflict on you!) is immense.