Are we back to LadyR bashing again? Why? Are you bitchers able to do a better job as a moderator? LadyR and I have had our problems and she has always been correct in her answers. She, Beaker and the others do a great job on this site, so back off a bit. Please, before you get banned or the mods decide to shut the site down!
Mod and member bashing caused another good site to shut down. I don't want to see that here!

I havent posted anything in this forum in quite awhile, but this post struck a chord with me in a bad way.

First off, a little background,

I currently have 5 dogs, GS male, GS mix female, Husky male and 2 mixed females, all of which were either rescues from the pound, abandonded dogs, or someoine i knew that had to give them up and didnt want them going to the shelter.

These 5 dogs are like my kids, and thats how theyre treated, both males were neutered when i got them, and none of the females are the least bit interested in anything sexual at all. However, thats ok with me, i didnt bring them home for the purpose of sex, if they were interested, cool, but it doesnt change how i feel about them in the least.

THATS the point i think most here were trying to make, if all it is is a sex thing, then get a girlfriend/boyfriend whatever, dogs, horses etc. ARE NOT objects for your pleasure, theyre thinking feeling animals and as soon as you stop treating them as such your no better than a rapeist IMO, thats why there are so many out there than condemn us as sick freaks.

Thats not saying that only owners can have that kind of contact with animals, thats just saying that if thats all you want out of it, then you need to find a different place to express that opinion, cos you wont likely find many in here that will cut you half the slack that i am.

As a kid i used to fencehop, didnt even bother to think about what damage i could've done to the horses, only thing that i had going in my favor was that i lived next door to them and already had a relationship and trust built up beforehand, doesnt make what i did right, but i can honestly say ive never had to force myself on anything to "get some".

When i get a dog from the shelter, sex is not my first and foremost concern, ive had a couple ive had to return due to them not getting along with the kids/other dogs, but i never take it lightly and never just for sex.

In the end, your going to think and do what you like, but expect to get flamed to a certain degree by those that view what your seggesting as nothing more than "picking up a hooker for the night" an unknowing one at that.

Guns

first of all, i think that is cool to have a lot of dogs at home... such a little dog`s pack, but not in purpose to have a sex with them... u are lucky man, Gun.
but, unfortunatly i have no possability to do this... i just moved, and i have no my own hove :( and here is a big city...

i think ive said this before, quite awhile ago i have never got a dog from the pound,but i have bought dogs (hounds)for hunting dogs they were ussually large females you might say they were dual purpose dogs i used them for hunting and had sex with them .when i buy a dog (a female )i always in the back of my mind knew what i was going to do with them i do not become emotionally attached to my animals i have some favorites .i am emotionally attached to my wife ,kids and grandkids and friends. i raise dogs and horses and they are well cared for . i cannnot say if getting an animal from the shelter to have sex with is right or wrong in the first place i do not know of any shelter that would allow you to do this most of them want money to pay for the nuetering up front

atomx, I'm proud of you for writing what you really think and not being scared of doing so, and I'm glad you kept it relatively polite. Though there are a few things that other members said, which are very important. I think pudgy's post was very good, she used a great example and I think she's right, the dog would be wondering what it did wrong and why it was going back.

I think pick7 also had a very good point about the behaviour the dog would have learned and may later try and use, with new owners.

As for my opinion on the whole matter.. if you are able to adopt a dog from the pound and are able to pay the fee and you're allowed dogs at the place you live, then why on earth wouldn't you keep the dog? Dogs are extremely wonderful, they're loyal and make excellent friends. I think taking one from the pound and using it for self pleasure and returning it again later is selfish.

TheNazz, I'm not saying that you wanted to do this and I realise that you were just asking a question, so if anything I said offends you, please let me know so that I can edit this post. The last thing I want to do is offend anyone and from what I gathered, you seemed quite offended by what some of the other members said and I don't want you to feel bad because of anything I said.

" Thats just plain disgusting. A dog is not a sex toy. Not a toy, period. Anyone doing that should be ashamed of them selves"


Thank you. I was just about to post something very similar.

What a selfish bit of disgusting wankery. :sick: :mad:

I just want to clarify.Someone earlier suggested that we all think only those who are in a commited pet relationship are allowed to have beast sex, and everyone else is evil, depraved, etc. That isn't what I am saying neccesarily. I don't think having sex with an animal that isn't yours is always wrong. But the specific situation he described is, in my opinion. Yes, that is all it is, an opinion, but that is what he asked for. I think it is a betrayal of trust and is certainly unfair to the animal.

That has got to be the most coldblooded heartless thing I have ever heard:( How could anyone even think that way? :( :crying:

This is where Beastialists and Zoophiles always clash... The Zoophiles love their "animals" as you would a bf/ gf partner, whatever you may call it and of course, like human+human relationships, sex is part of it. Beastialists are people who see animals as a sexual release or a "toy" of some kind with no feelings or lasting emotions.... Im glad I was born a Zoo :rolleyes:

That's a genralization Kamodragon...and a coarse one at that.

I think that whether you're a zoo or a beastie...the basic RESPECT for the animal should be present; hence; neither a zoo nor a beastie should ever even consider doing what the original asks. And that has nothing to do with sex; it has to do with the fact that its heartless, respectless and down right morally wrong.

LadyR

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I couldn't disagree more. Just because I (and others) have sexual and emotional feelings for humans does not mean that we don't love and care for animals just as much as our zoo counterparts... and by some of the incrediably insensitive remarks that get posted -apparently sometimes even more... love is limitless -we don't have to be confined to one or the other... like you suggested -it's genetic -your gift is no greater than ours... beasty should never be defined as some one who just likes sex with animals -it should be defined as some one who loves animals and also likes to have sex with them but are not exclusive... people who have sex with animals with disreguard for thier care and welfare are not beasty -but I will get banned if I say what they are!@#!

I would also like to remind everyone that there are members on our board that are neither zoo or beasty -and have hearts of pure gold -and love animals as much or more than some who are active!

as far as clashing -only when some :censored: thinks they are superior because they are exclusive -or someone makes an insensitive remark suggesting that :whistling:

My apologies, It was not intended to offend. I did not mean a beastie or a zoo was exclusive with animals or not, my understanding based on some research I did in college was that a zoo was emotionallyand sexually attatched to animals and beasties were only sexually attatched... I was not reffering to anyone's heart nor to them as good or bad people.... In my mind beastialists were sex only and disregarded the intrest of the animal., thus I refer to myself as a zoo because I love the animal like I would a human....

I found information about this on www.zoophilia.net

Again, sorry for the miscommunication, I enjoy the forum and the people on it very much and my last intention was to clash horns....

my apologizes as well -in written communication one can only take from a conversation what the other relays... I know that the definitions for zoos and beasty seemed to be many and varied according to the source -this is a site that has little to no tolerance for those who seek to exploit animals OR people -so I thinks it safe to say that even if my definition wasn't text book -it was workable for the site for that moment -this site holds zoos beastys furries and any other members here who care about people and animals with love and reguard as equals -and isn't intrested in classifying them -and especially classifying them with a higher or lower status within the community...

as you can imagine, on a site this size, far to often undesirables or those with mind sets that aren't condusive to the welfare of the forum as a whole make appearances -they are quickly weeded out -thanks for clarifying your position.

I have not read the full length of this thread mainly due to lack of time as I have to get ready fur work, but this is my honest true opinion of the question asked:

I find the act and idea of just taking home fur sex and then returning him/her as terrible. They should be given a safe home that should be fur the remainder of their lives. It is possible as been said that the life-circumstances cn change and mybe being forced to move to areas where dogs can't be kept. In that case one sholud try and find another home first. You could have a section or thread in here where you could find people to take over dogs or other animals.

Do people do this? I don't doubt that fur a second. ALOT of humans tend to do things fur their own good or pleasures without regard to other humans, enviroment or animals. There may not be many of them that do THIS but we are many humans with many different cultures and lifestyles so I wouldn't say Nopes, People don't do this.

Svadilfari

Just a qwick relpy as busy
As some one who when very new to the borad asked a simliar respect based question. " Is it right to use leg straps with a horse" must give the first post some slack, however the question rased is simply are animals disposable sex toys or things that we love and chersih. I think i speak for the majority of peopel on this board whne i say i hope we are all animal lovers and not just users.
This does bring out other points though shuch as should fence jumping be encoradge or frowned upon i no from personal experiance on my farm there are some very sick people around with a intrest in animals some 5 years ago we had to have a mare put to sleep after she was attaked by some sick horse ripper.
Might have got a little of topic but maby not every one on here is into animal welfare

and that is my 3 pence