Doglet, your post reminded me of a personal experience I had. My partner and I wanted to marry and I wanted the ceremony to take place in the same church my parents were married in. I was told by the pastor that the religion I was BY BIRTH a member of, would NOT marry us as we had had a child together out of wedlock, even though we had been in a committed relationship for 7 years!

My best friend is a homosexual. He hid his true self for 28 years before he felt that he was stong enough to cope with the backlash his 'coming out' would cause. And still then never imagined how much his sexual.....persuasion?...would be an issue in his trying to live his life, even today.

As much as I would love PUBLIC acceptance of the fact that I AM a zoo, I just cant see it happening in my lifetime. That fact makes me sad because being a zoo is such a small part of who I am and yet I KNOW it would be the biggest part on which I would be judged. :(

Are you born with it, or are you just acting?

I hope for a tolerant world on everything sexual ( between equal partners )....But I think this won't happen soon....Depends on changes in the society. Just think about it, homosexuality was not a big issue in ancient greek and the roman empire....Animals had godlike status in ancient egypt, cats especially in the form of the goddess Bastet. They were a lot nearer to zoophilia and sexual tolerance then we are now. Currently we are close to sexual tollerance, especially in Europe, but who can tell what will happen in 10 or 20 years....Will there be a complete denial of sex ( don't laugh, just think of HIV/AIDS ) ? Or a new religious fanatism in christianity ?....

Well I think that zoo's shuld stand up and make there marks like gay's did.. But coming from a Scandinavian contry I dont face the same problem as many of you. It is legal in Denmark and Iceland to have sexual contat with animals, as long as you dont hurt them. I cant remember if it is legal in Sweden and Norway, but I am pritty sure that it is legal there as well.

Unfortunately, this won't happen for a VERY long time.

Zoophilia wasn't illegal in France, only hurting animals was (which is just the right law IMO), and the right-wing government changed this last month to two years in jail and 30.000 euros to pay.

A huge step backwards :( ...

It is still legal in Sweden to have sex with animals, though some of the parties wants to make it illegal, but as in most cases, it is the lack of knowledge and understanding of zoophilia that is causing most damage. They have their minds set and can't change it no matter what happens.

I don't know if we can stand up like the Gay community did, as gays were interacting with other humans, which They say can speak their mind and also say that we interprete what animals say in our ways, and not "the true way" as they want to hear it.
They are not seeing the animals behaviour nor are the recognising the patterns. So sadly I don't think that we will be that understood and as a species are proned to be intollerant to things which are different.

I do agree with you, and in old time Europe, there were marriage rituals and sexual rituals between man and animal. Although very tragic in the ending, and not something that I like, there are two old rituals which spring to mind:

1. The old indo-germanic mare-ritual. used by celts and some others. The king (actually a prisoner, yet acting in the kings place) would have full sex with a white mare, before an audience, representing the marriage and consumating of such. The mare would sadly be killed and eaten by the tribe afterwards.

2. The Indic Asvamedha ritual. As far as I know in old time India. A stallion would be brought out, and be in a pasture for a full year, with a herd of mares, but he was not allowed to breed any, and there were people there to make sure of that. After the year, the stallion would be brought into a room, where the queen was, and only women allowed in there. The stallion would be laid down and be covered by a large blanket, with the queen, and the women around would be saying sexual sentences and stuff, indicating sex. The stallion would afterwards be killed.

It'll be a looooooooong time untill zoophila/bestiality is accepted ito the communtiy!
They have to realise we are not just fucking the animals, we care and love them like a "normal" couple!

Well I think it will need a dramatical change in the society if sex with animals will become legal. Although I notice that more and more comercials and movies are using it to sell. Maybe this is a good sign (more people getting used to the idea) but it can also have a negative effect like confirming the cliches :( .

I agree the biggest problem is that society consider us as sexualy frustrated people who [CENSOR] animals and stuff. Sometimes we're being compared with child rapers or necrophiles and this makes me sooooo angry :angry:
Well SM was also very taboo a couple of years ago and now it's more accepted although I don't think you can compare the 2 at all.

That stuff I heared from you guys (like the stuff in France, damn simba that must hurt) about penalizing bestiality sucks bigtime, a huge step backwards damn :angry:

I have traveled the world and I have noticed this. Some countries zoo is legal and some not.
The countries where it's legal. In every case. The locally accepted religon accepts animals as a part of living, life, and having souls.
Where it is not. In every case. The local religon says no, animals have no souls.
In one primative tribal group I met. It was not illegal, but on the rare occasions it was observed everyone talked about it. Not shunning or imprisioning, just poor so-and-so did this and can we help with the problem.
I've also noticed the activists always pick the most advanced lands. With the best media coverage and the most available money to stage their demonstrations.

It is indeed through the mass media that most of the misconceptions are made about us. I can tell you though that if they were ever able to open their eyes they would be blinded by the light that shines off of us. Never before have I been more proud to be a zoo. This community is the most caring, most selfless out there. The beauty that shines of of all of you people touches me right down to my soul. The only shame of this all is that we seem to be the only ones who are able to recognize it. Hopefully one day the world will open their eyes to us and realize that we are good people.

clweed: Hmm, that reminds me of something i expeareanced back when i was still visitng church to get confirmated (sp?)
I had a rather rough debate with our priest about the topic of souls and if everything has one. I said everything in which live flows has a sould and the preist denyed it.
Lets make it short at the end he said if god wanted every being to be equal qith us he would have only created humans :rolleyes:

I think in the moment everyone - no matter of which race, religion, etc - has to accept and admit that animals have a sould they will have to accept that animals are equal to us!
IMHO one of the biggest reasons we zoos arnt accepted is that so many cant understand why we would want to have sex or love a being that is lower then a human! Just take the so often used phrase: "Its just a dog!"
If those people who think that way would have to accept that a dog has a soul just like a human they would see how wrong that phrase is! Just imagine one would say: Hey its just a human! (i did that once when a guy got overrun by a car and damn you should have seen those looks. If they would have been able to [CENSOR] i wouldnt write this...) To me there is no diference between a human and a animal, both breath, both eat, both bleed and both die... Where is the difference?!?

Like you said, in most of those regions where relegion accepts that animals have souls its zoophilia is legal - where not its illegal.
(I think i gonna add this point to my thoughts about relegion)

I think one of the most importand things to make our likings and loves legal is to show those believers that an animal is equal to any human!!
And i believe that is way more difficult then to make our lifestyle legal... :(

honeyraptor, sed: :D Where light is is also darkness!
And i concider the love i enjoy with my Benny and all my past loves as the brightest light of my life! I dont care for the darkness that is the rest of the world who judges us by rules that will never fit except to their own blindness for real love...[/SIZE][/COLOR]
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amen, and amen, honey... with few exceptions, my best and most reliable friends in my life have been my pets, dogs, and cats... i currently own no dogs but am "owned" by 4 cats... (does anyone truly own a cat??? :lol: ) anyway, ive had to be careful myself in past because i was in a field which looks down on this type of relationship, and actually saw some in military jail among other things, sodomy (where any not "normal" sexual activity fell in the military...) but i felt i was protecting all fellow countymen, not just the ones who were "normal" or didnt practice "perversions" you and your love for your benny and past loves are beautiful in my eyes, and i salute you dear... :)

cunninglinguist :)

Ponder this...

It has been in all of or times that homosex was illegal or considered a abomination around the world. Yet public opinion changes. Open homosex in many countries is now normal, with many tv showas having openly gay couples in staring roles.

The gay liberation started (I think) about 30 years ago with the police raid on "Stonewall" in San Francisco. Now there love is protected from discrimination by law (Most industrialized naitons)

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So, when will our love recive the same protection?


i am sad to say, i believe never... or at the very least, well past our lifetimes... there will always be those who do understand, or at least tolerate our interests and proclivities without judging, but the vast majority will be against it and that is why there are so many laws in this land and across other nations against and if not prosecuting, the persecuting zoo's.

my best advise would be DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH!!!


cunninglinguist

I agree completely with this HR. This is definately a huge roadblock. Until people can understand the depth an animal's love has then there is very little hope. Animals are equal to us in many ways. We need to open people's eyes.

Consider the controversy surrounding the gay marriage thing and then ponder what would happen if we tried to push our issue.....sorry folks, but i just dont see it happening.

Guns :)