I dont know how many goes into the chat, but this gentleman that has composed this one is a moderator there, and he is a very kind, sweet and intelligent man. This beginners guide for ladies and their k9's is the best I ever read and I had so wished that I had this one when I first got started. Would have saved me a lot of trying and failing learning.

Thank you Cobra, for letting me put this on the forum; I am sure it will help a lot of women!

:wub: LadyR

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How to guide for beginner ladies


Dogs aren't like men, even though all the erotic stories you read give them human characteristics. In the stories, you stimulate them by hand, or orally, get them erect, then achieve penetration. Then the stories have the dog perform intercourse for a while, eventually getting the knot inside somehow. Then, the stories say, the dog ejaculates, and withdraws. All are stories written by men who have no idea how the process actually occurs.

Actually, the dog does get interested and excited, but does not become "erect" until after penetration. The dog has a bone called the os penis, so technically it is hard all the time. Most of the time, it is concealed in the furry sheath that you see under his belly. It mostly pops out when he becomes interested and in the early stages of excitement. It is pink, smooth, and about the size of a man's forefinger. It will come out of the furry sheath about an inch, maybe two. At this stage of excitement, he will begin to attempt to mount.


He does this by approaching you from behind. You should be on your hands and knees at this point with your shoulders level with or slightly lower than your hips so that your pelvis is at the right angle. He will rear up and grasp your waist with his forelegs, and bring his penis into contact with your now exposed genitals. He will probe firmly with the tip of his penis, looking for your vagina. At this point, you should reach quickly between your legs, grasp his penis gently with your fingers, and bring him quickly to your vagina. If you allow him to probe without helping him, it can be uncomfortable for you. It is a bone, after all. When he feels the tip slip in, he will thrust it into you all the way in one push.


Once it's in all the way, it will immediately begin to grow in length and thickness, and the knot will begin to form. The entire penis reaches full size very quickly. At the same time, he will begin to thrust in and out in short, sharp jabs. He also begins to ejaculate as soon as he gets inside you, and will continue to do so until he pulls it out of you. He will ejaculate a large quantity of semen, and it is quite hot. you will be able to feel the spurts of hot semen while he is inside you.


Depending on the size of the knot, and the relative tightness of your vagina, he may or may not get stuck inside you. If you are fairly flexible, and his knot is not large, he will pull it out of you. The vigorous humping will last from one to three minutes, and then he will simply stop and stand there with his penis still inserted in you. If his knot and your lack of tightness are such that he can, he will pull it out of you at this point. If the knot and your tightness are such that he can't get it out, however, it becomes known as a "tie".
In that case, he will not be able to pull it out, but will stand there quietly and ejaculate into you. This will last from 10 to 40 minutes, until his penis shrinks enough to pull out. The time will vary depending on the individual dog, breed of dog, how long it's been since he's had sex, and other factors.
Also, during the tie, the dog will most likely swing his foreleg over your back, and turn so that he's butt to butt with you, with his penis still locked inside your vagina. This is a natural defensive maneuver on his part, to allow him to defend against predators. If you can't hold him on your back in the doggy position, hold him by the back legs after he's turned around to keep him inside you. Or your partner can hold him for you. During this time, don't try to pull away, because it might be painful for you, and will be painful for him. You have to remain quiet and let nature take it's course.


For that reason, schedule your sessions when you know you won't be disturbed for a couple of hours. You should always put sweat socks on his front feet, or wear a sturdy shirt, to avoid scratches. You should also place a thick towel or something beneath you to catch the ejaculate. (There will be a lot). For the single ladies, and those whose partner doesn't know about your activities, it is suggested that you try to have a helper for the first few times. Although the dog won't deliberately hurt you, he can be single-minded once he discovers that he's about to be allowed to have intercourse with you.


After he becomes familiar with intercourse with you, you can train him to do it "missionary" style as well. And remember, no matter what position you choose, your genitals have to be at the right height for him. If you feel him probing too low, spread your knees to lower yourself. If his probing is too high, bring your knees together to raise yourself. Or, you may have to kneel on a small pillow, if he is a large dog.


Some things to do if you are just starting out with a new dog, play with him a lot, making him your friend. Do this until he is relaxed and comfortable. While doing this, begin to fondle him gently until he is comfortable with you handling his genitals. When he is comfortable, try masturbating him. First, remove all your jewelry, including rings. Grasp the furry sheath at the tip of his penis, with your fingers between the shaft and his belly. Pull gently but firmly back on the sheath all the way. When the sheath is behind the area where the knot will form, it will trigger the growth of the penis. It will lengthen, and thicken, and the knot will form. He will probably begin hunching his hips at this point, as if he was having intercourse. He will begin ejaculating.
Remember, his penis is very sensitive, so use plenty of lubricant, and be gentle. Grasp his penis behind the knot, and hold it. Rub the shaft gently with the other hand. You can do oral safely as soon as he quits hunching his hips. Hold the penis behind the knot, and place the shaft in your mouth. Watch out for your teeth, his penis is very sensitive. He will ejaculate in your mouth while you are doing this.


If he does not tie with you during intercourse, he will pull it out of you as soon as he quits humping. This will happen if the knot isn't big enough, or you aren't tight enough, as mentioned above. It will still be swollen at this point, and is another opportunity to perform oral on him, following the information above.

Sometimes a dog will appear indifferent or uninterested. He won't lick much, and won't mount. Don't give up. He is probably just confused about what it is you want him to do.
Keep working with him, praising him when he takes a step in the right direction. Get on all fours, and have your partner place his (or her) hand on his penis, and gently masturbate him. When the dog begins to become erect, have your partner lift him on your back, and quickly place his penis in your vagina. He should hump at this point, even if its just a little before he dismounts. This is fine, keep doing this over and over. Dogs learn by repetition. So don't give up. After all, you have spent a lot of time telling him "don't jump up. Get down". Is it a wonder he's confused now that you're telling him that it is all right to jump on your back, and even to breed with you?


A final note to remember. About 10 percent of all dogs will not do intercourse with a woman. Every now and then you will encounter one of these non-performers. No matter what you do, you will not be able to teach one of these dogs to do what they're not inclined to do. So if you have one of these, and he will not respond to the suggestions above, don't pursue the matter with him. To do so would be abuse.


Frequently Asked Questions

Q. Is it true that a dog is very clean, and you don't have to worry
about getting an std or
infection?

A. Yes, dogs' genitals are very clean. And there are no diseases that
are common to both dogs
and humans, so none can be transmitted. The only way you could get an
std is if your dog had
intercourse with an infected human, and then immediately had
intercourse with you.
Solution: don't share your dog, and don't let him hang out in bars,
picking up strange women. :-)

Q. One big concern I have is I would not want him to perforate me or
tear me. I would be sure
to guide him in with my hand. Since it is bone it has potential to do
damage so do you have any
additional suggestions not mentioned in the how-to guide you forwarded
to me?

A. Don't worry about the bone. It is well padded, and he will simply
probe firmly looking for
your vagina. Since your vulva is quite tender, it may cause a little
soreness if he is allowed to
probe freely. As soon as he mounts and begins the probing motion, grasp
his penis gently and
quickly with your fingers, and bring the tip to the opening of your
vagina. He'll take it from there
by thrusting into you.

Q. I have had 2 children so the knot should not be a problem as far as
size is concerned. I have
heard a black lab would be around 5 to 6 inches long, is that right?

A. Dogs are like men. They come in all sizes. 6 inches in length is
about average for a lab.
That
is measured from the front of the knot to the tip, so you may have to
accommodate 8 or 9 inches
altogether. For most women that is not a problem, but is enjoyable.
His knot will be about like
a tennis ball, if he is average in size. You should feel pleasantly
stretched just inside the entrance
of your vagina, about where your g-spot is located. Many women say
that knots and g-spots are
made for each other.


Q. I should be prepared for a tie in case it happens. If it happens,
he must ejaculate more semen
in you because he is in you 10 to 20 minutes rather than 3 to 5
minutes, right?

A. Yes, when he ties he will ejaculate more semen into you for the
reasons you stated. Once in
you, he will ejaculate until he withdraws. You will feel the hot
spurts. Although he fills you up
with it, it will leak out around his penis so there won't be any
discomfort.

Q. The how-to mentions a "large quantity of semen, and it is quite
hot". Would this be like a 1/2
cup or how much is usual? Is it uncomfortable at all because it is hot?

A. About a quarter cup is normal, sometimes more, depending on the
dog. It is noticeably hot to
you because a dog's body temperature is higher than a humans. It's not
uncomfortable, just
erotically noticeable

Q. Will I feel pressure in me until he pulls out due to the large
quantity?

A. A. You will feel the hot spurts. Although he fills you up
with it, it will leak out around
his penis so there won't be any discomfort.

Q. Should I expect his semen to drain out quickly or generally how
long does it take for it all to
be absorbed and drained?

A. Since his semen is thinner than a man's, it will gush out when he
withdraws. Although you
will be wet afterwards, it should go away as fast as a man's, so just
take a bath and it won't be
noticeable at all. Because it leaks out during intercourse, and then
gushes out at withdrawal, you
need a towel or other cloth to catch it and not wet the floor. Easier
to clean up.

Q. Unfortunately for me my husband would feel threatened if I asked
for his help (maybe later I
can convince him) and I have no girl friend interested (or said not
and it is not something you
can ask anyone) so I would have to do it alone. I am a housewife so
time alone during the day is
not a problem. Anything else you can add for doing it alone?

A. As far as your hubby, he may not be as threatened as you think. A
lot of men have the secret
desire to see their wife have intercourse with other men, or dogs, etc.
One suggestion is this:
when hubby comes home one day and during pillow talk, tell him that the
dog was sniffing
around that day, and put his nose in your crotch. That the dog was
persistent about it, and then
tried to mount your leg while you were sitting down. You can judge by
his reaction how to
proceed. If he says that you should have taken off your panties for
the dog, you'll know you're
home free. If he says yuck! you can react that way. It's a way to
judge his feelings without
committing yourself.

As far as doing it alone, many, many women do it alone because they
don't have a hubby, or are
afraid to tell him, and don't have any female friends that they can
trust with this. It's just easier to
get the dog to understand what he can do if there is a helper. But you
can do it all alone without
any danger. The main risk is getting panicked during intercourse and
trying to pull the dog's
penis out of you. As I said in the how-to, that can be painful for both
of you. Often, when the
dog is finished humping, he'll get down off your back, (or front) and
stand with his back legs
toward you. He will tug gently as if trying to pull out. If he has
tied, he won't be able to pull out,
but it can be unnerving for the beginner lady. Just hold on to him by
the collar, the back legs, or
fur to control him until he shrinks and slips out naturally.
Solution: just don't get panicked. relax, and let nature take it's
course.


Q. The how-to says to schedule your sessions when you won't be
disturbed for a couple of hours.
It seems to me like about 1 hour might be right in allowing for a
little foreplay and 20 minutes if
in a tie plus some recovery and clean-up time, right?

A. I suggested a couple of hours for beginners. After you, and the
dog, become practiced at this,
you can have a quickie in 30 minutes, if you want. You'll be able to
remove your panties, expose
your vulva to him, and he'll be in you in a flash. But at first, go
slow and careful. Take all the
time you need.


Q. Should I expect the feeling to be so intense at the end, especially
at first, that I will need more
time to recover compared to my husband?

A. Since I don't know your reactions to sex, it would be hard to judge
intensity or recovery time.
Most of the ladies say that it is somewhat different than intercourse
with a man, But just as, or
more, intense. Most report multiple orgasms during intercourse with
their dog.


Q. How should I expect to feel mentally and physically after the first
time and do those feelings
change after more times?

A. You may feel a little kinky after the first time, but that's ok.
The kink adds to the mental
excitement. Physically you should feel like you have just had
wonderful sex. I don't know if the
feelings change much. Most ladies are just as turned on after years of
dogsex as they were at
first, and they still love it.

Q. Will my OB-GYN doctor know about this from examining me?

A. Your physician will not be able to tell anything about this from
any examination. In fact,
after a nice bath, even your hubby, or your lover if you have one,
won't suspect a thing. Unless
you tell them, of course.

Q. Is it suggested that lube be used or does nature take care of this?

A. Your natural lubrication should be enough, and more. Besides, the
dog will begin spurting
pre-ejaculate fluid as soon as he begins to try to mount. I've never
heard of a woman who got
this far and needed artificial lubricant.

Q. What is the most dangerous thing for me in this case and how should
I guard
against it?

The most dangerous thing is the panic, as discussed above. Just relax,
and don't try to pull him
out of you once he's in and swollen to full size. Enjoy. After all,
that's what you wanted, anyway.


Q. The how-to is right when it says we tell our dog not to jump up and
on people. If we do have
a relationship how do I handle things when other people are around and
he shows unique interest
in me?

A. Do it with your dog only in the same room (bedroom, for example)
and under similar
conditions every time. Example: Only let him have you when you're
completely naked. Scold
him if he approaches you under any other circumstances. Dogs are very
intelligent, and he will
learn when it's all right to approach you. Another trigger is when you
put the socks on his
forelegs. That's a sure sign to him that he's about to get some
wonderful sex. Our first dog was
so intelligent that he would go to the laundry hamper and get any old
sock he could find, and
bring it to my wife, hoping that she would let him, I suppose. Of
course she did, most of the
time.

And, most people will think he's just being a dog if he approaches you
in their presence. Dogs do
that, you know. Just scold him gently, and put him in another room.
You'll do fine on this score.



This post has been edited by LadyRottweiler on Nov 19 2004, 02:17 AM

it is averry good one indeed, and is good advice for males too

This post has been edited by Allan on Nov 5 2004, 03:10 AM

Thank you very much Ladyrott for all the insightful information.I too am a single lady,and so,without a partener to assist.I have in training a beautiful,gentle,loving 2 yo. GS, who is taking his time.He does'nt lick,he has mounted me a few times for short durations,then,just at that moment when I think he'll come,he jumps off with a growl.Afew times he seems to be enjoying it to the point where he howls during the act,still he dismounts just at that crucial moment.Why do you think he does that??Please respond..
Thanks..

Spika1.. :rolleyes:

Hey Lady R, I read somewhere that if you DO need some lube it shoud be a vegetable based substance like butter or a lite vegetable oil because that wouldn't hurt your dogs when they cleaned themselves. Anything like vaseline or KY would make him very sick, maybe worse. I'm a novice in this area, but it sounds right.

Quote>You may feel a little kinky after the first time, but that's ok.
The kink adds to the mental excitement. Physically you should feel like you have just had wonderful sex. I don't know if the feelings change much. Most ladies are just as turned on after years of dogsex as they were at first, and they still love it.<

Wise words indeed Lady R ;)

Couldn't agree more.. First encounter 1974 and still "at it"

For me personaly the "kink" you describe was by far the icing on the cake..
Little goody goody me, doing THIS... It blew my mind. and has ever since..

You also accurately describe the "nuts & bolts" of my own experiences far more vividly than I could myself... The feeling of the "hotness" of his ejaculate etc..

The ONLY thing I would have added to your 'kinky" warning is that there CAN be hangover "Guilt" I suffered it for years after my divorce, thinking over the "horrible perversions" of what I had "done" on the whim of that perverted monster!
What I conveniently forgot is how much I climaxed while the dog was "doing" it!.
My salvation was reading Nancy Friday and realsiing I was Far, far from alone. I then discovered the internet and quickly realised that women dog owners who havn't been on the end of its tongue are in the minority, not me.

DONT feel in a minority if you have done it.. There isnt just you and Linda lovelace out there.. surf and see.. and lastly DONT feel guilty.. the dog sure as hell doesnt..

Diane. :cat:

This post has been edited by Diodwy on Dec 11 2004, 03:11 AM

an excellent and informative post thax lady rotty

Wow very good info for knew ladies that will like to try!!!

Thank you for posting that information here for us LadyRottweiler. That guy knows what he is talking about.

As for me, I am a male with a bit of experience. I still am more turned on by a woman enjoying a dog than myself, but I do enjoy being a close and very kind to my dog. I was only into beastiality at first, but I've learned that I have a zoo side that doesn't necessarily need just the sex.

As for my dog, on average he last only 30 seconds after first penetrating into an orfice. Once, on a second round of mating he lasted 45 seconds.

As for tying with him, he has to be held most of the time. He'll wait a couple of minutes to turn, then myself or the woman needs to hold one back leg up once he's turned. So ladies, clamp down with your vaginal opening and grab one of his back legs gently as the guide suggest and hold him.

Also, I find it helpful to do it near the bathroom cabinet of something. This way he can only turn in one direction to turn off of your back. Then, you can hold the front leg of his that is not near the cabinet, wall, etc... This may prevent him from turning. I would try doing it near a wall and holding his front leg after he is familiar with breeding you. He'll totally trust you then.

:P Here's one more tip.

During the first few times that you and your dog get sexual, it would be a good idea to not be wearing perfumes, body deoderants, or even have freshly bathed. While this is not a necessity, dog's have a strong sense of smell and communicate with other dogs by sniffing genitals and bottoms. Letting yourself build up a little body odor would not hurt anything. You will smell more like the animal that you are (mammal) and less like an overpowering "different" thing. Not taking a bath for a day or two before letting him first smell your bottom might intice him to lick more. This may even encourage a dog that does not lick enough to lick more. If anything, I have noticed that my dog likes the added taste and salt. You will smell more natural, animalistic and inviting. Maybe only drip dry just after a pee before your first time with him. Also, get your own juices flowing soon in your play with him. I am sure that they already will be, but you want to stress your femaleness as much as possible.

That info all came from one of the guides written by a woman that I came across on the net. She also stressed staying on all fours or in a lying possition while he first gets used to seeing you naked. I work with horses alot, and even they read body leguage such a being submissive and walking soft with the head down or agressive and walking with the arms and head high. Get down on his level and pet him and kiss him. Don't make too much eye contact. Rub his legs and ribs a lot before touching his genitals. Let him get used to you touching his belly and his whole body while he is seeing sumbissive, low, and naked for the fist time. Then after he is relaxed and you are confident that you can rub his underside and sheath, turn your rear to him while on all fours.

Sometimes, crawling away or crawling in a circle will cuase him to want to hop up on your back. Do this if he has been licking for a long enough time and you are ready to have him in you if he hasn't been wanting to hop up on you. This may encourage him, then you want need as much assistance from another human.

You may not always need to guide him into you. This is the right thing to do until he is familiar with the location of your vagina. Then, after you are both experienced, he'll find it quickly on his own. You may feel a few bony jabs on your vulva and paritoneum 2-5 times, but it feels like being poked with a wet finger gently but firmly.

How about a few votes for me. I'm in college right now, but I'll be catching up here at BF in the future. I'm on the delayed contribution plan. Smiling! Thanks.

Thanks Jacob. There are some really good and helpful advise in your post....And that sorta makes my point; get advise from someone with experience; not from someone that writes guides for the sole purpose of "getting off" from it ;)

I really cant remember whether its been mentioned before, but for us "over here" that has mainly wooden floors...Keep in mind that a dog will be more insecure of mounting if he feels that he is not "steady" on the ground; dog claws dont "stick" well to hardwood floors. So put a rug under you, that way he will not slip and he will be more happy ;)

LadyR

Frankly, I reccommend a large beach towel or a particular blanket (something that you might be able to throw in the washing machine with ease as it will be collecting an awful lot of doggy fluids). An advantage to something particular for the occasion (and only used for that occasion) is that your dog will begin to associate that blanket or towel being brought out with the potential for some more 'illicit' activites.

Much luck!

-P_L

LaddyRottweiler and puhppyluv, those are some wonderful suggestions. I also used the same light jacket on me for a while. This protected me from getting scratched a little. It also works as something that the dog begins to associate mating with, just as puhppyluv's suggestion about the blanket. Heck, the blanket could go without being washed daily if you'd like, and the dog would quickly associate those smells also.

Let him get to know you and your body very well. Let him begin to aquinted with you lying around naked and moving on all fours.

Your introduction very detailed and thankful elaboration observation and educations

You are a brave and happy lady

Wow, thats the best info I have ever gotten. maybe now I can work up the nerve to try it with my Mastif Steel.