Humans have one night stands all of the time. Not that it's great, but humans have a higher thought capacity and they enjoy it, so why can't a dog do the same?
I think the main reason why people are opposed to it is the idea of taking a dog, feeding it, washing it, sexing it up, then releasing it back into the same environment it had been rescued from before, is sort of cruel. I can see the view of giving someone a piece of heaven then sending them back to Hell. But dogs can't make the comparison between getting fucked and living out on the street. I'm sorry, but I don't think that they are smart enough.
I say this: if it makes you happy, and it makes the dog happy, then it isn't hurting anyone. But I wouldn't just dump the dog back out, I'd at least bring it to the animal shelter. I can imagine what it would be like in an apartment where dogs aren't allowed. I could see why picking up a stray would be necessary to fulfill those... desires. :blush:

ok folks - I am really struggling with this topic - here is a little about me: I am in a current situation where I can not have a pet -and being a gay male (not that being a gay male is exclusive to my point ==> there is little chance that a pet owner is going to "share' thier pet with me -which is TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. I am inexperienced and certainly not ready or qualified to comment on this subject -but there are still some questions in my mind -so hopefully these things can be considered in future post:

1. are you really rescuing a pet by taking it to the shelter -isn't the chanced that no one will adopt and it will be killed high? rephrased ==> does taking a stray to the shelter = a death sentence? Is the pets chances of survival greater if you just let it continue to roam ? (this is posed reguardless if you think it is ok to have sex with it or not first)

2. Is there a difference betwen taking in a stray and "having fun" and "fence hopping" -errr "having fun" with someone elses pet who has a loving home and is not in jeopardy of "being used" and then "thrown out to uncertainty"?

I am in a very uncomfortable situation right now ie: no pet and no possibilities at the moment of having one (condo rule and partner who doesn't know of my interest) -sometimes (most of the time) it's painful -I am watching this thread very carefully. THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN EATING AT MY MIND. THEY ARE POSTED WITH THE HOPES OF SEEING OTHER PEOPLES INSIGHTS SO THAT I CAN MAKE DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE THAT I WONT REGRET...

does anyone think from a dogs point of view, most answers seem to be what people think, we have our morals
dogs get it when they smeel something on heat, will fight for it, chase it and run away for it, but to them thats all it is
we talk of one night stands and love, at the end of the day they are dogs, the love they give us is the same as what they would give another pack animal
one night stands with dogs, dont they themselves do it whereever or whenever they can, and i dont seem them sitting down the pub buying drinks and trying to chat the girl up first

Marcus,

This is *exactly* why I get so frustrated with the anthropomorphizing of animals around here. As much as we may love animals, they *aren't human* and don't pretend to be. When we try to draw distinctions like love versus lust, one night stands versus "committed relationships," and monogamy versus screw-whatever-moves, we're not actually talking about the animals at all. They don't give a rat's -- your average dog or horse will happily screw any available female that seems to be interested and not give a second thought about whether the female will "respect him in the morning."

It's all just head games that WE are playing. We condemn and shout and point fingers, but the animals don't give a rat's. Someone named William something or other said it well "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

In the end, follow the basic precepts of morality: DO NO HARM. Forcing a creature to do something against its consent is harm, so you must make sure the animals consent, too.

But as long as you're not abducting someone's animal, or taking a dog to a euthanizing shelter out of laziness, or beating or forcing the animal -- as long as what happens is completely CONSENSUAL and doesn't lead to HARM to the dog that would not already be happening to it, go for it.

It's nobody else's damned business, beyond that.

I have -- many times. Of course, that was during a period of my life when I was a stray just like them, though. Nowadays I live in a house just like most other human beings. There are still a few neighborhood strays, around (although I think most of them belong to my neighbors), but I don't have any sexual feeling for them.

i would say it all depends on whether or not you're into one night stands ... because thats pretty much what it is..

I'm so glad to read these last few posts on this topic. While I fully understand that some really want to relate with the animals or want to believe they relate with us, they are animals.

Regarding the original questions, would you have sex with a stray, i think yes. Like the last few posts state, while one night stands aren't the preferred maybe, humans do it all the time, and it often works for all.

Like atomx, I also "get so frustrated with the anthropomorphizing of animals around here." I think we try to put our values into teh dogs.. but in the end, I think I would try a stray... given of course, precaution was taken, it wasn't abuse or painful and care was given to cleanliness. Be safe, be kind for mutual satisfaction.

I would certainly do a stray if given the opportunity. Since I'm no longer active, the only way I could experience it again would be with a stray. If I was home alone and happened to see a male dog in my backyard. Yes I would try to lure him in and try to initiate a sexual encounter. I wouldn't go out in my car and snatch a dog off the street or anything, but if an opportunity presented itself, yes I would have sex with a stray.

However I really feel this subject is almost irrelevant If you live in suburbia, the chances of finding a fully intact male or female dog would be almost impossible. All shelters require spading and neutering, and most dog owners now do this on the advice of veterinarians. Perhaps in more rural areas, your chances would improve.

This post has been edited by sxygirl on Mar 23 2005, 12:11 AM

I fully agree -- doing a stray is *exactly* like a one-night stand. As grown-ups, we (hopefully) realize that one-night stands are unfulfilling in a number of emotional and mental ways. In a way, it's just like masturbating using a human being as the receptacle.

But one-night stands can be very sexually fulfilling, whether society frowns upon them or not. They can, simply put, feel good. This is why people still have them, despite all the moralists telling us we'll go to hell if we have anything besides heterosexual, monogamous, married sex.

And another fact is pretty basic; not everyone has the *luxury* of a long-term relationship. Owning a pet is a pretty big commitment that I take rather seriously. And I'd rather not own a pet that I won't be able to give the love and attention it deserves, than own one just for selfish reasons and neglect it.

Some may think that "doing a stray" or borrowing someone's dog for fun is the most immoral thing you can do. But I firmly believe that those human notions of sexual propriety are completely lost upon the animals themselves -- as long as they're being treated kindly and not being forced, they seem to be happy to hump whatever is willing. And, if the option is owning but neglecting an animal or having a male's testicles removed just because it becomes inconvenient when he hops up when the neighbors are around -- or worse, just having an animal that's no longer got that "new cat smell" put to sleep when it ceases to amuse -- if those are the alternatives, I think doing a stray might just be the most moral thing you can do.

Just my opinion, of course, but I'm a rather opinionated bastard, so there.

Sxygirl, again your icon is taunting me.

I'd have to say that shit is pretty wrong....bringing an animal in then just throwing it right back out. Except I do that personally.....if I ever find a stray something I generally feed it, then put it out the front door, if it stays there for 15 minutes begging to be let in, it's mine (if it's a real stray). Or I'll find a home for it.....but seriously, having sex with an animal just for one night I find is pretty wrong (I don't do one night stands)

How would you like to have someone grab you and use you for his/her own sexual
gratification and then toss you out the door? That sounds like rape to me.
In my mind, doing a stray is no different. If there is no love, it is just lust.

i really cant understand all this love stuff when it comes to your pet, i will admit that it becomes part of the family and all that
but god knows i dont take it out with us when we go for dinner, it dosnt sit and play cards with me, we dont sit out the back and chat over drinks, god almighty it is my pet, its not human, and it treats me like a dog im just another member in the pack :ruck:

My girl is more than a pet. She is not only a loyal companion, she is far more faithful than any human female a I have yet met.
And yes, We are always together in places that will allow dogs.
No, we may not have sex, but there are other ways of showing love.
As for being just another member of the pack; are we really that different?
We go out, sniff and growl around the opposite sex, make fools of ourselves
in an attemp to entice them, and then end up fighting over them!
Give me a good dog anytime and I will be happy.

I agree, id rather a dog anytime over a human.
i have owned dogs all my life, and im not reall young, also horses , cows chooks birds cats, and really any other pet that the law allows you to own, i also grew up on a farm, although now alas i live in the city
but to me, love is what i had for the woman i married and the children we had together, love is not my dog, best friend , probably, but not my love

There's a difference between "would you do it" and "is it wrong."

Would I "do" a stray? Probably not. Too dangerous, too iffy, too questionable. That's my personal choice.

Is it wrong? Of course not, as long as the sex is consensual.

It's exactly like a one-night stand. It's not to everyone's taste, and that's fine. Nobody's forcing you to have a one-night stand, and nobody's forcing the stray either -- that's the one thing I keep saying over, and over, and over, make sure it's really consensual.

But just because someone doesn't like one-night stands, doesn't make it wrong, any more than the fact that I am not interested in having sex with another man makes homosexuality wrong, as long as everyone involved, male or female, human or beast, consents.

Gee, I sound like a broken record on the consent thing, don't I? But really, that's what it's all about. If the parties involved consent, it's nobody else's business what they do.

This post has been edited by atomx on Mar 29 2005, 07:15 AM