Do you concider all beastialists to be abusers or are they people who have sex with their animals but do not feel any emotion/attatchment towards the animal.

I'm not sure I agree with the way you frame your question. I'm not saying your not entitled to ask this, what I'd like to queery is what led you to formulate your Q. in this way. There are lots of other ways to lead a discussion on the Zoo/beastiality debate which are not so devisive from the start.

For instance, my early days approaching the whole Q. of zoo/beastiality were really confused, with no clear distinction between, no thought of catagories. If I hadn't come across this site, I would probably still have been seeing the relationship between animals and humans as another area of pornography. However, I was lucky in this respect, and have come to a much clearer understanding of not only my own sexuality, but what a muddy track we all walk to get there.

Sorry if this sounds a bit 'heavy'-its not intended to. I guess I'm just a wee bit sensative ;)

This post has been edited by tribsa on May 7 2004, 02:16 AM

Hmm, well i've seen the debate about "What is a zoophile and what is a beasstialist" alot of times over the last four years (since when im online) and i read alot of very good arguments on both sides!

I see many kinds of beastialist and zoophiles. Here are two of the beasty side:

There is the one who just has sex with a animal of his choice but he dont loves him/her or feels any kind of emotinal bond towards him/her and only uses him/her for his own pleasureing.
Can he be considert as Beastilist?

I would say yes...

Then there is the one who also has only sex with a animal of his choice and again wihtout any emotional bond but he doese respect the animal and his/her wellbeing and cares for him/her.
Can he also be considert as Beastialist?

Im not realy sure about that. He cares for the animal and cares for his/her wellbeing and respects him/her! but still he only uses the animal for his pleasure.
I would consider this one as mix of both, zoophile and beasty.

I think the major thing here is how you think about the what makes a zoophile and waht makes a beasty!


In my case i can say that sex doesnt means much to me. The emotional bond between me and my mate, the love i feel for him, is the most importand thing in our relationship! I could live without the sex with him and i could still love him the same way like i do now. Sure would i miss the sex with him but it is just a part of our love. Its just the final way to express our love for each other!!
So to me someone who only has sex with a animal without any kind of emotional bond isnt realy a zoophile (in the way i consider the meaning of zoophile) he is more a kind of beasty

But how everyone else sees this depends completly on his or her view about what makes a zoophile or a beastilaist...

Hi Tribsa
Read the post...i need help...in the zoophilia section it will explain

Maybe i should have put my question another way.
If you were to describe a beastialist to the public in a newspaper for example would you use a negative conotation to describe them.
There seems to be some confusion where does one draw the line and call the person an abuser.
Am i right to say that beastialists deserve the same rights as zoophiles if there was a law passed to make zoophilia legal.
In my way of thinking as soon as the animal is harmed then that person becomes an abuser can we still call that person a beastialist.
It is confusing to me imagine how confusing it would be for the general public to understand.

i would consider myself a bestialist as i have no emotion attachment to my animals i could sell them tommorrow and feel no loss,in fact i have done that i have gotten bored with an animal or if the animal was not interested in sex i would get rid of them (always to a good home) i took a lab bitch i had to the pound she went to a good home .iwould have loved to keep her as she loved to play and was a very sexaull dog i had a lot of fun with her the reason i had to get rid of her was she was very aggressive and hyper not a good lab trait . i got her to raise pups i would have loved to have kept her but i was afraid she would have bitten someone .i take good care of my dogs ,i like them but do not love them

I don't consider beastialists bad, as long as the animal is willing and not harmed or forced... it's not my thing, because I really have to have that kind of connection to an animal to be more than mildly curious about them sexually. Don't have the slightest interest sexually in my two labs, but love them as pets. Most dogs I see I don't want to have sex with, but every now and then one will catch my attention, and I will consider making them a lover.

There are times when I'd just like to meet a woman for a drink, a f*ck and then go our own ways, no emotion... so how can I say that's bad when it's a dog or horse instead of another human?

Maybe a better way to break it down, would be like this:

Zoophile: Full love and respect is given to the animal (Sex optional)
Semi-Beastiality: Sex with the animal with no love, but general care and respect is given.
Beastiality: Sex with the aniamal with little to no care or respect for the animal and only looking for one's enjoyment.
Abuse: No care or respect is given to the animal and sex is forced onto the animal.

That's my view on it.

True, sadly there are those who use their animals without any thought
of the animals feelings or sensibilities., however I've found most are not
that way.

I love my husky deeply, he's my silly, sweet, sexy boy. A good friend and
companion. Always there with doggy affection, lust and love. I love his paws
holding me so tightly as he drives himself into me and locks throbbingly
in my ass. I love when he awakens me in the morning, nosing and licking under the covers.

The day he went tumbeling down the stairs during his clumbsy puppyhood and hurt
himself, I unhesitatingly spent what ever was required to make him better. He's my baby boy and my second best friend. What else could I do?

bighorse: You are exactly the kind of person which i cant understand - and you probably cant undestand me...

How can you have sex with someone wihtout having emotions for him/her?!?!
This is like using a fake vagina or a blowup doll!! I dont want to get emotional here because i will regert imediantly what i wrote after i posted it! But you are exactly that kind of person who make zoophiles look bad in society!

Things like that are reasons why i despise humanity so much! You are using what you get only to pleasure your desires. Maybe im just not that kind of guy to get it, maybe im not that superficial or i value the things around sex more then you do!
But this is just disgusting to me!!

Would you do the same with your wife? Or any other human lover? Could you also leave them or "give" them away like you do it with your animals?! (i wouldnd call it give it away, no matter how good the home might be!! all you do is forsake them!)
No matter how good you think you care for them, if you only use them for sex and you are able to give them away you treat them like property! Like a piece of furniture or a old used car!! Damn man those are living and feeling creatures! They need more then food, water and a place to sleep!

I will stop here or i will say someting i will realy regret!!

Thats right HR, that is why we have so many conflicts out here cause of people saying things that they are not, or want to be. I have no use or any good for people that don't care about animals and would love to abuse them in any way. Those are the ones that when they get caught for abusing an animal that they should have the same done to them for what ever they did to the animal.. :angry: :angry:

They are just as desposable as they say the animals are.

Being a beast, mean being a beast, plain and simple. You are a beast that don't care. Where as Zoophilia we are zoos with feelings for our animal lovers. Another way to spell it is zoofeelia, just for those that have problems on what the differences between the two of them.

Another term; Zoos are lovers :P , beast are just fuckers. :angry:

HR,

please try to understand, and accept that all people arent like you, i know..i didnt want to get into this and still dont, i dont believe in being called a beastialist or a zoo, im neither, and it makes no sense trying to segregate and group people together as this or that. we're far too unique and different to even try. I do feel the same way as you HR, i could never understand how someone can use an animal and then leave them, but, i remain silent on it simply cause i know nothing good will come of it, i cannot change peoples thoughts, or their mindset, thats up to them to do on their own. I can only say they are missing out on something truly beautiful! My family doesnt understand how a mere "dog" can mean so much to me, and i can never tell them..its sad, because to me, my dog is my equal, my lover, my soulmate, just because i am human, makes me no more important than any other life..thats what we humans have forgot somewhere down the line, i just hope people will think twice someday, and realize the animal theyre using, or hurting, or even giving up on, can feel sadness, hurt & love, just like we can.

I truly believe animals are capable of love..after all we are animals too right?

ILPK

This post has been edited by ilovepuppykisses on May 8 2004, 10:55 AM

ok guys i opened up a can of worms ,i told you how i felt i was honest i raise dogs and horses i could get rid of all of them except my lab male hes my buddy (no sex)and if something happened to him i would feel a loss.of course i am a lot older than you guys and have expierenced lots of loosses in my life when i was a boy 18 i had a coondog someone gave me as a pup i raised him and trained him to hunt and he was pretty good he got loose one day and got into poison and died i cried for days my mom (a tough old gal )thouhgt i was crazy that was 50 yrs ago .it is great that you guys feel the way you do about your pets but dont critize me for the way i feel i was just giving you my opinion and the way i feel thats the way i am take it our leave it

Thanks for your replies
Bighorse i thank you for being honest you are not a criminal in my eyes you obviosly have many animals to care for and have your favorites that you love and would never sell
I see the topic has hit a nerve with a few people .I live in the country and know many dog breeders and horse people some have over 100 animals All of them do it because they love animals .There are people in it just for the money and dont give a shit about the animals but they dont last very long because once people find out no one will do busness with them.News travells fast in the country and people wont and dont put up with it.

I hope i didnt come across too strong bighorse, takes alot of courage to come out and say what you say, I just didnt want this too get too bad, is why i never posted earlier.
We're all going to disagree on certain things, but i always have believed everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs, and i cant judge someone on that, just cause they dont see eye to eye with me on certain things. i may have seemed to neglect that in my earlier post, never meant any disrespect or criticism, just tried to keep things from going a bit far and possibly another fight breaking out over something pointless ;)