Hello. This is something that I have always wondered. I believe that I have asked something similar but not this exactly as it is. Have any of you ever doubted yourself or felt badly of yourself for being a zoo?

Personally, I doubted every feeling or thought that I had with regards to zoophilia before I found love. I remember feeling so badly for every thought that I had that included zoophilia. It wasn't until about three years ago that I found the love that saved me free. After discovering that there could be something of greater value behind the sex, my mind shifted. Love that pure can not be wrong. I have never had doubts since that day.

Well... to be true... very often!

Those doupts usualy hit me when im around my family and when i see other people being happy with their own kind - like my brother hugging his girl or my parents holding each other or friends just showing their love. Or when im walking in the city during summer and spring.
During those times all the couples are out there holding and kissing each other and no one is caring because its normal!

And then there am i, i have to hide everything! My love for my mate, my feelings and everything! I can just kiss him, i cant just sit there with him and sharing all the things everyone else does...
Then im starting to think if what im doing is still right...
Sometimes these feelings realy get me down and im feeling like a freak. I usualy get realy depressed then and sometimes im so down i even start to think about the final cut just to end it! All those doupts, bad feelings, hate, sorrows...

But then i look into his eyes and all i see is happyness, love and friendship. He has no doupts about our love and what other people think about it! It allways takes him to show me that and then im glad to have him...

I was Zoo WAY before the Internet. I started being Zoo in 1981. I thought I was a FREAK for having sex with my dog. I loved him as a Pet, I loved him as a Sex Partner. But I thought it was Wrong, so wrong. But I was addicted to having sex with my lab. I even got married, wife Never knew about my dog and I. I spent years and years being "normal" in public and a Freak in private. i was so happy when the Net came online and I found there were others like me. Now I feel "normal" again. Humans have been having sex with animals since the Dawn of Time. We are sexual beings.

Now I just need to find that Special Woman. Are you reading this now? B) Lets chat Babe and then live happy ever after, you and our pets. :P

yes
as a youth,and then a young man i was often feeled with a selfloathing about how much i loved aminals and the fact it did go to sexual levels, guilt and dispair i was sick and not normal hautied me for many yrs.
even with my religious beliefs now i fianlly learned to accept mysef and wh and what i am and no long think i,m sick

i accept who and what i am, the fact i cant be more open about it ??????? oh well
someday mebe the world will see us as little different than same sex lovers in our own speices

til then i,ll be me to those wo are like me and seem normal to others


HB58

as a footnote i too have been zooish for most of my life, and only on the net scince
about 1998?

Yes, I thaught about it myself, then I look at the way I am around people, and realize that I am much better off with my dogs. I started all the zoo stuff in 1975, and with living out in the country didn't have to sneak around much. Alot of people left their dogs loose and they would run, and come to the house when they want something. I have no regrets of being a zoo, and if I had to do it over again, I'd start sooner, and have more dogs. Even back when I was married, the way my ex would act and say stuff to me, the way she was as a person. Like alot or most people, things are better alone, so no one can tell you would to do and what not to do, and so on. :)

I myself have never had any doubt with my actions with animals. I also like most of us in this forum would never think of hurting any type of animal and I am sure that when I have fun with dogs I make sure that they also have as much fun. AS long as everybody is enjoying what you are doing just enjoy.

I am wondering. As I said in another reply to this Thread, I thought I was a FREAK for having sex with my dog. But at the same time I had a Girl Friend. She did not know of my "Relationship" with my lab. I later married this woman for 14 years. She never knew I was Zoo. I did not know I was Zoo until the Net and I found we had a "name" Zoo. I was a "normal" husband, father. Heck, I was a Girl Scout Leader, after school helper, you know, a job, mortage ECT. But when the wife and kid were away, Dog and I would Play.

So my Question: Am I Zoo, or something else? I like human woman. I like male dogs. Is it some kind of Bi? I dream of meeting a woman for LTR that our dogs join in sexual encounters.

Just wondering, nothing I stress about. Tossing out an idea, thought.

I get in trouble when I open threads, I don't know the rules well enough. LOL

I enjoy reading Everyone's thoughts and ideas. This is a great place.

Peace Everyone

Bill Yknot

Yknot: Well i would say Yes you are a zoophile! You love your dog, you have sex with him (allthough this dont has to be a qualification or something! You can still be a zoophile without having sex with your animalmate!)

Just because you also like humans doesnt makes you different (hey not everyone is perfect :P;)) In fact if you look around many zoos have also a wife or a husband, many even have a complete family!
Its jsut normal i guess, some just love their animals in a different way or just a bit more then humans
In my case i love animals WAY more then humans! ;)

For the most part no, I have never doubted my zooishness. For as long as I can remember I have known and been sure of what I am. This was reinforced when I found others on the internet and found out I wasn’t alone. This was back in the usenet/bbs/linx days. ahhh memories :rolleyes:

I have never doubted my love for animals. I didn't discover the term zoophilia until I got on the net. Up until then, I only knew the term bestiality. I had been having sex with female animals for years. After discovering the net and reading several books on the subject, I realized that I have been a zoo most of my life. I have kept the sexual side of my zoophilia a secret, with the exception of the people on the web, and few friends when I was much younger. My first few encounters were with friends and their animals, mostly female k9's. My later adult involvement has been with my own animals.

i've never really doubted it, because i know that love is something that can pass the "borders" of gender and species. i know that there are many many people that would strongly dissagree with that, but just because they feel that way, doesn't mean that they're right. do not doubt yourself. <3

kinda tired so ill try to make this short. All of us have doubts about various things at different points in our lives it is our concious mind trying to rationalize what we are doing. its natural and eventually passes i have had doubts too, but they went away after about a week.

-2- my friend, you do post the tough questions, really look for the meaning behind who and what folks are or feel.

To your question:

I don't doubt today that my sexual or emotional love for my partner is "right or wrong" due to her species, however though I'd love to say I never doubted, I cannot.

In my youth, when I first felt a stirring of sexual interest for a non-human (a shetland pony mare named misty) I knew little of 'right or wrong' in sexuality. I was after all only 10. I did know that I had to 'hide' my sexual interest, which I also never explored beyond 'touching'.

Why I knew it was something to be hidden was that I was also exploring my sexuality with a human, and she told me that that had to be 'our secret'. No, I wasn't 'abused'. She was a year older than me. Over time, she 'taught' me things to do with her, things I always felt I was "bad" for doing. I think today I felt so because she told me they were bad things.

I had a little dog named Ginger, my first true love among non humans, and with her in bed at night, I explored some of the things my human partner showed me. Oddly, though I still knew it should be 'hidden', I didn't have that shame-filled feeling I had with the girl.

"Sue" (not her real name) killed herself just as we were entering our teen years. Though I found out years later her step-father had been raping her since she was 5, at the time all I was told was that "some-one" had been doing bad things with her. I went years believing I was that "some-one". Convinced in my youthful mind that I had hurt Sue having sex with her, I also began to believe I was 'hurting' my other partner, Ginger. Though I did not turn her affection away, or try to distance myself emotionally from her, I "doubted" my own feelings toward her, both attraction and emotion.

I went through my teen years believing myself to be an 'abuser' of sorts, a 'bad guy' who used women, and who was 'using' Ginger. I guess in a way I was a victim of the abuse Sue suffered.

Anyway, I came to terms with who I was a bit earlier than many do, realising that I hadn't caused Sues death, that though it was 'expected' of me to play the part of the womanising 'star player' in high school didn't mean I had too, and with the help of a really good friend discovering that I could love physically without barring emotional love.

Still, I continued to feel I was 'using' Ginger as we lay in bed at night. It was not until she died the year I graduated that I began to realise how much her love meant to my self.

For years (more than the 5 I claim in my stories) I still felt 'odd' or 'wrong' when I found my physical attraction directed to a non-human, even as I grew in human relationships, some good, some not so good, and questioned the part of me that wanted even just the companionship of a dog. I frankly didn't 'trust' my self not to abuse, not to selfishly use the dog while giving nothing back.

By the time I met Tippy, I'd been engaged once (she died too), been in several really good relationships, and yet always found my life wanting...something. I didn't know what. And I still felt a stirring I didn't understand when I'd meet a particularly pretty bitch or mare. I trusted my self by this time. Life and what it threw at me had shown me I would handle things the 'right' way.

I knew the things I did I did for more than just self, yet though I heavily involved myself in activities involving or benifiting non-humans, even while still on active duty, I still denied myself a companionship with a dog. I still doubted my emotional attraction to canines (stronger than my attraction to any other species), and doubted my ability to seperate that desire from the physical desire to them, or to even combine them with-out 'abusing'.

I don't really know to this day what changed, other than the immediate love I felt when I first saw Tippy, knowing I not only loved, but was really "in love" with her, but something did.

Our love progressed, emotionally and physically, and even though the first thought in my mind the day I went to the shelter was that I wanted a companion that would never be anything more than a 'companion', I never once doubted my relationship with Tippy once it began.

I guess it just took me some time to understand the difference between being a 'user' and being a responsible part of a serious relationship wasn't limited by species either.

This post has been edited by silverwolf1 on May 1 2004, 01:14 PM

Interesting to read your posts i see one common thing in them LOVE i have found the same in my human relations .Could it be we all feel some sort of guilt about haveing sex regardless .I mean i used to feel guilty after a one night stand it wasnt untill i fell in love that everything felt right ,is this because when in love we give ourself totally and unconditionaly to our lover and it no longer seems like taking.

I've been comfortable and adjusted as a zoo for the most part. I still do get down on myself for having this stupid and rediculous need to have someone as a life-partner that I can be completely open and sharing with. I don't have guilt or doubts about the wonderful bond I have with my dogs or the connections I have made with other critters. My pain is entirely about having to stifle it and not show or be open about it with a partner. Or of fearing that partner's reaction - like one woman I dated who dumped me instantly upon my saying that I liked the animal fantasies in the Nancy Friday books. She said she couldn't be with anyone who even thought like that.



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