gonna peeve someone probably

but i noticed there are alot of copyrighted files here. irregardless of the warnings in all the forum sections. suggeting that the posts get weeded through and all copywrighted material be removed

on an after note there is no such thing as non copywrighted material

G'day

Yes i have been noticing alot of websites on pictures now,if u did have websites or tags of any sort,it would get removed.Are the hosts getting lazy?,or are they not worrying about it no more?

Note to users,if taged,or web adressed,please remove before posting pics.

Dan B)

I am by no means a lawyer. However, there are some things I do have knowledge of in this matter.

Yes, there is such a thing as non-copyrighted material. If I write a song (lyrics and music), and put that song on the web.......anyone who D/L the song can use it to make money or for whatever purpose and LEGALLY there is nothing I can do about it.

In order to protect my legal rights and therefore have a stand to bring legal action against anyone who uses my song without my permission (and usually payment), I must apply to my state/federal government for a copyright. If I don't apply and receive the copyright from the government agency which grants these copyrights....the material is then non-copyrighted material. Even if I stick a tag on it.....its not copyrighted unless I have applied and received one from the government agency.

Most probably (don't know for sure), these sites have their seal/logo copyrighted or they use the offical 'copyrighted symbol' and their site or artist name. Therefore, pics and movies stamped with their seal/logo/symbol is considered copyrighted material.

Material stamped with a web address is not necessarily copyrighted by that website. Rather, they have paid the producers/owners of such material a fee in order to display it in a public forum. In general, this type of material is SAFER to use in a forum like this UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED.

Also, some members post in error and this is one reason you see copyrighted material on the board.

This is ONE of the reasons the mods want members to check the rules before posting.

If anyone knows this info to be inaccurate, please correct me.

I hope this is helpful.

Good Luck and Safe Searching.

mrdjjw

As noted by info submitted by KittyMan, the above refers to registration of copyrighted material. Certain aspects of my statements have been corrected and/or clarified by the KittyMan post. Read the post by KittyMan for official US info on copyrights.
Thank you.

This post has been edited by mrdjjw on Mar 31 2004, 09:20 AM

My informations on copyright infringement differents vastly from mrdjjw's but I am not a lawyer either and I live in central europe so only this:

What mrdjjw said might not apply to central european copyright laws!

please read the content of the "Do not post copyrighted material posts" inside these posts ia a list of the sites that we have been asked (by the sites themselves) to respect their copyright of their material..

this is why you will see logos on some material and other material will be deleted..

it has more to do with respecting anothers wishes with regarrd to material they own and less to do with the law.. however lawsuits also suck and i am sure that the owners of this site will not be willing to fight one on behave of this free forum so we ask our members to please respect the wished of the sites that do not want us to post their material (see "do not post copyright material" post for the list of these sites)

thank you all in advance :D

mrdjjw; so sorry sir. i was just allways told that everything has a copywright period. thanks for the clarification.

also what bigeasyd said: wouldnt that get you into more trouble?

I live in Central Europe too, and I agree with what you have stated.
Copyright laws vary from country to country... like any other laws.

I'm still confused about this froum's "don't post copyrighted material" policy. O.K., I understand that any material from listed sites should not be posted. Also, probably, any material with copyright sign © should not be posted either. But how about the material that only has a web site's URL, without any © sign? Is that O.K. to post?
:unsure:

Also, what if I draw a picture and put a notice on it: "© by Red Doggie"? Would I violate this board's rules or not?
:blink:

Thank you, Goofy. I knew there was someone else with info on this. The Central Europe aspect is something I didn't think about.

Red Doggie, take a look at Perth's reply in this thread. You will find your answer there.

Thanks Everyone,

mrdjjw

P.S.

Goofy, will you PM me with the copyright info you have for Central Europe.....would like to know about it.

Thanks ;)

This post has been edited by mrdjjw on Mar 30 2004, 09:06 PM

Not quite. Actually it confuses me, as it partially contradicts with beaker's "Do Not Post Copyrighted © Material" post.

While beaker's post states that material that shouldn't be posted includes material from listed sites, Perth's post states that material that shouldn't be posted is limited to material from listed sites.
:blink:
I believe that it would be good if this would be clarified, as I feel there are more forum members that are unsure about this issue.
Thanks for listening!

Copyright in General


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What is copyright?
Copyright is a form of protection grounded in the U.S. Constitution and granted by law for original works of authorship fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Copyright covers both published and unpublished works.

What does copyright protect?
Copyright, a form of intellectual property law, protects original works of authorship including literary, dramatic, musical, and artistic works, such as poetry, novels, movies, songs, computer software, and architecture. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section "What Works Are Protected."

How is a copyright different from a patent or a trademark?
Copyright protects original works of authorship, while a patent protects inventions or discoveries. Ideas and discoveries are not protected by the copyright law, although the way in which they are expressed may be. A trademark protects words, phrases, symbols, or designs identifying the source of the goods or services of one party and distinguishing them from those of others.

When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.”

Why should I register my work if copyright protection is automatic?
Registration is recommended for a number of reasons. Many choose to register their works because they wish to have the facts of their copyright on the public record and have a certificate of registration. Registered works may be eligible for statutory damages and attorney's fees in successful litigation. Finally, if registration occurs within 5 years of publication, it is considered prima facie evidence in a court of law. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration” and Circular 38b, Highlights of Copyright Amendments Contained in the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA), on non-U.S. works.

I’ve heard about a “poor man’s copyright.” What is it?
The practice of sending a copy of your own work to yourself is sometimes called a “poor man’s copyright.” There is no provision in the copyright law regarding any such type of protection, and it is not a substitute for registration.

Is my copyright good in other countries?
The United States has copyright relations with most countries throughout the world, and as a result of these agreements, we honor each other's citizens' copyrights. However, the United States does not have such copyright relationships with every country. For a listing of countries and the nature of their copyright relations with the United States, see Circular 38a, International Copyright Relations of the United States
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Sorry Members. My info was not as accurate as I thought :blink:

Thanks for the correction and clarifications, KittyMan. :D

Glad we ain't in court. :lol:


Thanks,
mrdjjw

This post has been edited by mrdjjw on Mar 31 2004, 09:28 AM

as has been said previously.. there are quite a few sites that even though they add thier moniker to a pic or clip.. do not actually own the copyrights.. the sites listed in this about post absolutely unconditionally own the material you find thier logos on..

also some companies are defunct... and will not persue copyright infringements.. the above listed sits.. are active and will protect their copyrights..

if you want to be on the safe side.. only post material that you own the copyrights too.. meaning material that you either bought the distrubution rights too.. or that you have produced yourself.. if you question weither or not you own the distrubution rights.. you do not own them..

we are enforcing and respecting the copyright protection of the above mentioned sites.. as they definately own their material.. we are lax about otherwise marked material.. (thought this can change without notice and periodically reviewing the "do not post polyright material post is a wise ides)

again this rule is largely due to respecting the wished of the afore mentioned sites to prohibit their material .. than a strict adherance to the letter of law..

copyright protection varies from country to country and the breadth of its protection rests on the country in which the copyrights were obtained. the intenational treaties that country has .. what country the material was stored for distrubution..and into what country the material was downloaded .. in order to simplify this it has been decided that instead of following the letter of the law.. we will follow the intent of the law.. the intent of the law is to protect the distubution rights of material that is owned by a particular individual.. these sites have requested that we respect their distrubution rights.. and as such we are doing so..

i am not sure this made the issue any cleared..

thak you so very much. you would br amazed at how many of my questions that answered

Interesting thread. Question- If someone converts a videotape to digital format and adds his stamp while doing it, will anyone get cranky it the cap is posted? The converter probably didn't have rights to the material in the first place and who can speak for the rights of the original owner? How would you even know who that might be? I think the 'cappers' provide a valuable service but in all likelyhood they didn't buy a license for the stuff they put out. End of my two cents worth.

According to the Borne convention treaty, which nearly all nations are signatory to, , copyright exists at the moment the artist creates the work. It is not in the public domain ever until 70 years after the death of the artist unless the artist specifically places it therein. This copyright is an internationally recognized right. Because you found an image, or a story, or a piece of music of any kind on the net does not in any way whatsoever indicate anything at all about the status of its copyright protection. There is no requirement to apply for a copyright with any government agency ion order to enjoy full copyright protection under int'l law. Doing so may make it easier to collect damages in the event of a lawsuit, and may make it easier to prove the original creation, but that is all. Much more is available online and at the US copyright office website . If this is an immediate issue for you{IE you own a website} it would be most prudent for you to consult a competent attorney who practices in copyright law.
regards,
ecc

This post has been edited by eccgen on Apr 1 2004, 10:59 AM