I want to make a few observations - they wont be earth shattering - and they wont answer any unsettling questions - but just add a few more pieces to the puzzle...

I think a lot of members forget that we mods were members first - and that we are here for the same reasons as you all - I cant stress that enough - we are here to learn and grow just as you are - we are here because we have the same exact interest as you all - we put our pants on one leg at a time just like you all - we have been entrusted to serve the community - we do the best of our ability to be objective and fair - and I honestly think we do a pretty good job at that - in no way are we perfect - in many cases its actually quite an awkward position - for it seems as so many feel like there is a difference between us - like somehow we are not on the same side of the fence - we sometimes have to make some unpopular decisions and like I said maybe we dont always get everyone right - but I know the team PERSONALLY AND IN REAL LIFE - we are FRIENDS - and what we have in common is that we want the best for the community and the membership - and THAT is why we have been entrusted - not because we are smarter - not because we are more qualified - only because we happen to be the right place at the right time and our honesty dedication and GOOD INTENTIONS had the opportunity to present itself uninquiviatably - thats it - we are no more experts on these matters than any of you - and many of you are just as qualified and dedicated to preform the task at hand - but we MUST keep it a closed circle as much as possible in order to protect our community - and that is why you rarely see any additions to staff - not because we dont think there are members who are deserving...

so how ironic is it that after all that said - that sometime we just dont know people when we think we do - and I think one of the most uncomfortable issues that all of us face as humans - is that we dont ever get to know the answers... more than just zoo issue - even in other matters - we never do get to know why that special person turned thier back on us - why this one did this - and why this one did that - it can be very disheartening - and we want to understand because we have something invested into them - and we dont like to think that we invest in junk - and maybe we dont - we just dont get to know the answer... AND JUST MAYBE THEY DONT HAVE THEM

I think this thread is important too - I think what has been expressed over and over but not put in words is that the difference between "them" and "us" is just life experience - and that not only goes for the difference between zoos - beastys - and spectators - the actual subject of animal sex - but for all of the membership as well... to know an animal - to really know it is to love it - and those obsessed with just sex havent had that opportunity - and to know a human - to really know one - is to accept and love them too - the unfortunate truth is that the success of the forum often tends to lend itself to vagueness - we cant reach out to 600,000 members on an individual basis - we are limited to our experiences - and sometimes they are unpleasant - it doesnt mean they are necesarily bad people - it just means that we dont agree or understand- and we dont always get to know - all we can do is allow them to be what they have choosen and protect the community - there will always be casualties... I'd like to believe that we have become quite forgiven here - we have learned together as a team - there are many amongst us who have done wrong on the forum and have been allowed to reflourish - we are quite aware of the situation and quite aware of who most of them are - we are not fools - but what we recoginize is that they have grown and learned and that they have good intentions as well - they are not a threat to the community even if we have had our differences - and hopefully both sides can conduct ourselves better the next time and we can iron out these things before they become explosive - a simple sincere I'm sorry -on either end of the stick goes a long long way - but the key is sincerity - our past friend here is not ready - he doesnt know honesty - and he is obviously at a rough stage in his developement as a person - there is internal dischord - and he presents a serious threat to the harmony of our community - by far he is not the first - we have had intricate members of the forum fall off the beaten path - by nature it isnt surprising - even those of you whom have expressed revelations have also expressed how rough the path was to get there - this isnt an easy life - and often people just arent capable of looking at themselves in the mirror and seeing themselves for who they are - its freightening to concede that we are not like so many others - but ironically that is exactly what gives us the stregnth to become the remarkable and courageous people we have blossomed into -self acceptance isnt for the faint of heart - and the unfortunate truth is that the faint of heart are plentiful... they havent learned that by rejecting you - and rejecting us - they are rejecting themselves - denial can be a safe place to be if it gives them a piece of mind to sleep at night - some will wake and make a stake - and others -well....


Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but its sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way, but youre older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the english way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought Id something more to say

S'pose they would be, but the Mods and the way the site limits Newbies does wonders for keeping that sort of thing under control---They just go away, never to be seen again...........

:lol: :lol: :lol:

southy:

That's kind of like they were like that all along, hiding their true self for all that time, just to rag on people after they have our confidence---

I'm wondering if maybe they were genuine, and then something we will never know happened, and they just blew all to hell. Some people are resilient and can deal with life, some just reach a pressure limit and lose it.

'Course we can't see the face on the other side of the monitor (Thank Heaven--and never assume. This thing has a built-in webcam behind the glass, which I keep duct tape over :ph34r: )
Point is, someone else may have found his computer; he could have been hospitalized (or dead) and someone else found his bookmarks and assumed his identity.

Thing is, we don't know. We may have been misled, or we may have been right about him, right up to the moment whatever changed. We have to be cautious, (I'm as paranoid as they come.... ) but we can't take people as liars and frauds either, or feel we failed somehow if we took them as friends........ ;)

Wow! is all i can say. Thanks for the deeper insight Southy its greatly appreciated and even opend my eyes to the more i guess "finer detail" :wub:

This post has been edited by Horndawgs110503 on Jun 19 2009, 10:58 PM

Wow southy, that is impressively deep. I believe i just now changed my opinion of you. I believe i should also reiterate what i said to you in a pm a few days ago. Thank you for keeping this site free of the garbage of modern society and making this place a safe haven for all of us who think alike. It really is a good thing to know we got somewhere to go where we dont have to be scared of people. Keep up the awesome work. :rock: :beer:

Mose excellent post, horndawgs! I haven't been able to access this site for a quite some time (due to never being home alone anymore). This was the perfect thing to pick up on, and I want to thank you for taking the time to write and post it. It meant a lot to me. 10!

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Southy, your two cents was also amazingly deep and insightful. Everyone's opinions on this forum mean something to me, whether it be a lot or even a little, they still mean something. That said, I hope nothing I ever do in the future has any negative effect on this community, the outside community, or any individual.

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Alas, as we venture out to live our lives we will all undoubtedly in some way be stared down by adversity. From what I hear, adversity is a decent opponent, but has weaknesses. If you stand your ground, it will get out of your way, and loath you for being a strong person.

Thanks Jeep :D 10 right back atcha!

Great observation Southy.
10 my friend for that and the seemless link to Dark side of the Moon

Karma

10 for you Horndawgs hun for being the author of this lively thread.
Think its inspired alot of people with different views to post which is good.

Above all, think it shows the need for tolerence, and that occasionally, you need to think outside the box.

Great thread :rock:

Very good thread Horndawg. Its a shame some people will exist on the internet strictly to cause conflict or harm. As any tool can be used to build it also can destroy.

It seems that there is a new level of troll to dub. Bipolar Troll = Bitroll ? Hmmm


BTW: :huh: I think it should be stickY too :thinking: .

It changed my live :D

bump :P

This site allowed me to relive and share my zoo-sexual experiences with others, and I thank you for that.

;) You Done Good, Horndawgs !! Thank you ever so much ! :kiss:



:lol: Southy, ye've done allright by yeself, also !! :rock:

.....I'm speechless. That was very well said HD. ^_^
I never thought long and hard about what this site means to me. But after reading what you wrote I have started thinking of when I found this site and knew "Wow, I'm not the only one!" I think now of the friendships I have with people I have never met and who live worlds away. I remember all the advice and other info I have picked up around the site so I can prepare. I think this site means a lot to all of us (except the leechers and bashers out there). I will say this again, Great Post!