I voted No. I don't think it has anything whatsoever do with being anti zoophilies. Its in response to all those irresponsible dog owners who caused the over population and abuse. :evil:

I voted no ......... I think it's more to do with trying to cut down on the amount of unwanted dogs that are put down every year (certainly in this country) where only a small percentage get to be rehomed and at that are usually shipped abroad and rehomed there :(.

There is no drive here (at present) for mandatory neutering, thankfully.

I did come under a certain degree of pressure to have my dog neutered and refused on the basis that I was a responsible dog owner and my dog was not allowed to roam free, unsupervised.

a solid 'no' from me.

i think the folks pushing mandatory spay/neuter laws could care less about what we do during our sexy-time. i reckon its more about making sure the idiots who think of a dog as a piece of property or something that is disposable can't make irresponsible choices re: breeding.

i will assume that everybody on this forum loves their pets (non-sexually). keep in mind that in the global dog-owning community we're actually surprisingly rare. the number of folks who keep fido chained to a pickup in the back yard vastly outweighs the folks who provide a warm bed, yearly vet attention, and a healthy diet. i personally do not blame 'the powers that be' for trying to help keep dogs out of those conditions by encouraging or in some cases forcing owners to make healthy decisions about their animals. if a pup is going to be brought into this world i'd much rather it is brought into a planned, loving home rather than a flea-infested alleyway in the city where it has a 95% mortality rate, which is one of the many things that can happen if an inexperienced owner gets his/her hands on an intact dog and for whatever reason the dog ends up on the streets.

I find it awfully 'hyperviligent' to even draw the OP's conclusion, but hey... everyone for themselves.

No for all the obverse reasons.

Probably isn't a conspiracy but it definitely won't help things for those responsible owners who want an unnuetered dog

If there wasn't so many irresponsible pet owners it probably wouldn't have been a measure that was needed.

I believe this to be the most true for most people who support these measures. Most people focus on overpopulation as a problem for the animals, and don't think any deeper than that. "Those poor things in the shelters - be sure to spay and neuter!"

I believe this to be the compelling reason for the people who ORGANIZE the spay and neuter campaigns. At their core, P.E.T.A. and other organizations like that are against any form of pet ownership. They use their public outreach to get a better public image and raise money to pay their salaries. But at the end of the day they want an end to pets.

Another big fat agreement on that note


If the general pet owning public was more responsible then it wouldn't be so bad but there are far to many people who breed for the sake of it with no real thought as to what will happen to the pups they've produced.

And as for that museum mentioned in that post. If it was a joke i'd be laughing but I get the feeling that it is meant as a very serious thing. Which almost scares me. Its astounding that people living in developed countries in these times can be so dense.

I'll oppose and speak out against any local, state or federal government mandate on anything that has to do with someone's private life and, in the eyes of the state, property. Whether I personally agree with the premise or not. But then, that's just my views on the role of government.

I don't think the spay/neuter campaign is anti-zoo, I doubt most of the groups behind it really think much about zoos. I think at times they use us as a catalyst to spark public outrage and cause people to take action towards regulating pet ownership, but even that is rare.

Like always, I'll argue against the near-maffia style tactics of many vets who shove the spay/neuter thing down your throat at every routine vet visit. Seems like they are really pointing the finger at the wrong person, as I am actually there with my dog for the regular checkups he needs, and complimented on his excelent health. They're more concerned with the fact that he has balls, instead of focusing on administering a thorough check-up. Why they don't target the root of the problem, irresponsible pet owners, is infuriating to me. But then again, I suppose there isn't much anyone can do about the poor intact bitch in they yard behind mine who cries all day because she gets no attention. She broke out once, while in heat. Lucky for her, she happened to wander over to my house and I was able to keep her safe until the owners got home. Best afternoon of her life. And no, we didn't have sex, she just got lots of attention for once. It doesn't bother me that she's intact, but it sure as hell bothers me that they didn't have her better secured, and I let them hear it.

This post has been edited by guthwulf on Nov 2 2009, 04:55 PM

They might consider it a added benifit, protecting us from ourselfs, but I don't think it was the primary goal. By now my mate enjoys it so much that if I had her 'fixed' it wouldn't stop the fun, I think she considers it a part of living in the house - like the scratch behind the ears type thing.

No, I don't think juvenile castration is an anti-zoo conspiracy. It is, however, an industry making easy money for the vet. Juvenile castration causes the dog to remain puppy-like for a very long time and, therefore, easier for most dog owners to manage.
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Do remember that although it may be annoying to have the vet go on at you about S/N they're the ones that have to deal with alot of the problems that are caused by irresponsible owners not doing this. So really can you blame them. As for vets doing it for easy money I have to say I really do not agree. All in all for the average pet owner S/N IS a good idea.

I agree with secret_admirer. I voted Not a Conspiracy.

I would guess dog bestiality is more common than one would think. As the OP mentioned, it's really easy to keep secret, and there are no victims in this so-called "crime". I imagine just as other social taboos have come out of the closet and are slowly working its way up to a somewhat social norm (such as homosexuality), zoophilia may follow the same suit.

*facepalm* this thread, is ridiculous..

do i really have to say anything?

This post has been edited by beanerd on Nov 3 2009, 06:17 PM

Ok so, non-zoophiles are trying to exterminate the canine race by castration....

:huh:

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This post has been edited by beanerd on Nov 3 2009, 06:45 PM

Yup. But more specifically those wonderful people at PETA and similar organisations.

Aren't they really a marvellous bunch of people.


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