Id really like my own apartment so I can have a dog that dominates me. I want a German Shepard or similar sized dog that I can become submissive to. I want to walk around naked all the time, so he can jump on top of me, interrupting whatever I'm doing, and take me whenever he wants. I want him to make the rules. Is there anyway to train him to mark me as well? Does anyone do this or something similar? Suggestions, pointers, your thoughts?

I live in albany btw, if anyone is interested in meeting or whatever. I seek pet owners anywhere near albany or northeastern PA/NJ

while i understand the fantasy, i urge you to consider the practicality of what you're asking. you will end up with a dog that will literally walk all over you. you could also end up seriously injured by a display of dominance; imagine getting a pair of jaws with the second-greatest bite force of any domestic dog around your face. encouraging dominance in a dog has a lot of nonsexual repercussions. they perceive all property as their property. get ready to have a house full of destroyed possessions, he wont care if a shoe or couch is expensive... its his to chew up as he pleases! and forget about visitors or being polite on a walk, there's no way the alpha will listen to the puny submissive human on the other end of the lead.

i really suggest acting this out with a human partner, either just plain with each other or perhaps with him/her using a zeta. a master and pup scenario can be very rewarding, and you'll actually get MORE forced submission from a human than a dog. its great fun and very rewarding to have that kind of relationship. but when it comes to trying to act this out with a real canine this just isn't the safest of fantasies to put into practice.

plus... i can't imagine how your home would smell if your dog just went around urinating all the time. :pinch:

I'm going to echo buckup there and highly recommend you NOT act on this fantasy.

You cannot train a dog to be alpha only to you- he will dominate everyone, other dogs, other people etc. You cannot train him basic obedience or anything else if you do not show him that YOU are the boss. There are exceptions- you can train him to dominate you in the bedroom, or only when you're naked.. but you should not train him to allow that any time. Do you really want to have people over and him jump on you, try to mount and generally embarrass you? What if he tries to do that to a friend or family member? If you scold him (which you should) it will just confuse him more.

As for training a dog to mark you... do you really want him marking any other human or object he feels like? Because he will not differentiate from peeing on you or anyone else. Also, if you expect to have him mark on you while you're in the house, he won't see any problem in marking anything else in the house. Your home will soon STINK of intact male urine- and trust me, it is not a pleasant smell. Not to mention there are a ton of health code violations there.

Dogs who do not have guidance in their lives and are put in the alpha (note- alpha being to humans as well) tend to live more stressed and unhappy lives.

The idea was to make him more of an outside dog, or to leave him in one room most of the time. I thought about this for a while, and I have a few ideas. Im still in college, so I have sometime to work out the details. Many people have poorly trained dogs and manage ok if not great

red flag!!!

you're going to find yourself in a spot of trouble soon, mate... most of the people on this part of the forum are zoosexuals, and that means that its more than 'just sex' for them. i'm one of those people. beastialists like yourself who just want the animal to perform as a sex toy for a kink aren't generally well received here (for good reason).
having a dog is more than having a toy to fuck you when you are in the mood. a dog is a lot of responsibility. they require food, water, vetting, attention, exercise, training, and above all... love. chaining or restricting a dog in the back yard is not love. shutting the dog in a single, tiny room is not love. in some counties that is actually animal abuse.

also, those people with poorly trained dogs dont usually have those dogs perform the most dominant of all behaviors: mounting. the problems those owners face are not nearly half of what the owner of an alpha will experience. they're dealing with confused, out-of-rank dogs who are just frustrated because they have no idea what their place is in the family. when given direction those dogs usually accept it because it makes them more comfortable. Alphas aren't confused. They KNOW that they are #1 and they are not afraid to let you know if you cross a line. police dogs are specifically trained that way, they are trained to know no fear and that they are better than any enemy they may encounter. and look at what they are capable of.

i'm glad you're rethinking this, but i really cant stress enough the importance of keeping yourself and a potential animal safe. sex between humans and animals should always be consensual for both parties, even if the human wants to 'play the sub'.
i also cant recommend enough trying master/puppy play. that sounds like something that would be right up your alley, and its safe for everybody.

I agree completely with buckup and tigerr here. Please find yourself a human partner and let him or her dominate you. If you let the dog be alpha with 100% complete control over you, you are going to end up with a very frustrated, aggressive dog who will eventually hurt you or somebody else.

And if you even think about keeping an aggressive dog tied up outside, please think about the others: children and other smaller dogs, especially. Believe me, I know what an aggressive badly-trained dog can do to a small dog or a child that ends up on your property. -_- :crying:

This post has been edited by missywolf on Nov 20 2008, 05:51 AM

To be fair I would never go through the process of raising a dog like that for two reasons. It is messed up, and thats a commitment. My only prospect right now would be temporary, like borrowing my friends or family's dog. A good portion of that was fantasy.

Go ahead and visit your local pound or shelter and find out roughly what percentage of adult dogs that haven't been adopted within a month of arrival are well trained.
It won't be much higher than 0%

You don't want to live in a household where the dog is the dominant one. Watch a few episodes of the Dog Whisperer and you'll see households where the dog is the dominant individual. It creates nothing but chaos. Also its not really all that likely you'll be able to train a dog to piss on its owner. Dogs mark stationary objects not people or other animals as a rule.

that's great! I'm super glad that you decided to keep it a fantasy! :P

but seriously... look into master/pup play. it sounds like you'd really love it. if you aren't into BDSM or master/slave culture there are plenty of [SPAM] everywhere that can help introduce you into the lifestyle. its hugely addictive and although I'm no longer 'active' i do miss the days when i had a master.

oh, and a belated welcome to BF! :blush:

I can not think of anything to add to the above, but dogs are not sex toys that you can turn on or off at your pleasure.

and if that is what you are wanting, please get a vibrator. ;)

walguy, I'm really glad to hear you will not go forward with your ideas. Because in fact, there is a big difference in fantasy and reality. And if you understand the basics of how a dog works, how you can not turn him on when you need pleasure, and store him elsewhere when he is not needed... the same way my vibrator sits in my dresser drawer right now as it is not in use. Dogs deserve better than that. They deserve to be your friend in all situations, sexual or not. They need that social contact, and certainly they need you to be their alpha. They need you to do that because they need that order in their life. Let's say you are underneath the dog in their social status. That dog will spend so much unnecessary energy and emotions trying to keep you in check, underneath him, where he is convinced you belong. If you step out of line, he will find it his duty to correct you, with teeth if he has to. If you would only show him his place from the beginning, that you are his master, alpha, he will happily follow you. I'm sure you do not want an aggressive dog.