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Chakra1213
Posted: Jul 4 2008, 10:25 AM
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Are dogs allergic to latex or something? I read somewhere on this forum that you shouldn't use condoms especially pre-lubed condoms. I was just wondering why not?
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Posted: Jul 4 2008, 02:54 PM
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I don't know about the allergy question, but not using condom has many reasons....
well, for starters, for you to use a condom is like playing your Playstation with giant gloves. You get a better feel with the joystick when you don't......

The animal should be lubed by itself; unless it's horny, you might end up with half-a-sex when the animal withdraws away from you, and you might hurt it. Some animals respond differently when using condoms versus not using -> I know many people who have been advised not to.
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Posted: Jul 4 2008, 05:06 PM
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I'm sure that there will be more info forthcoming on Latex, but the simplest reason for not using Human-type lubes is...many things that aren't toxic to people are toxic to animals, and most of those things will not have been tested for safety with that in mind...Check with your Vet...there is a whole list that most of them can tell you about that are not good things for dogs to ingest...we all know about chocolate's reputation as bad for canines( though it seems no one informed the Menace ), but things like lilies, foxglove and other plants, Raisins (hear her grumble?), toothpaste, and many cosmetic products can be very poisonous to critters...my Vet went over the list with me when the Menace came home with me, and I don't remember all of the things from that list, but they were numerous, and seemed rather innocuous til then...
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Posted: Jul 4 2008, 05:47 PM
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Latex is made from a from a natural compound found in nature. Natural rubber latex (NRL) is a milky fluid derived from the Hevea brasiliensis tropical rubber tree. There are forms of synthetic latex that may or may not have the NRL used in the formulation. Latex allergies are more commonly found in healthcare workers or those with a history of multiple surgeries. Latex allergies also develop in those people who have a history of numerous allergies. Latex allergies are particularly associated with allergies to certain foods, especially avocados, potatoes, bananas, tomatoes, chestnuts, kiwi fruit, and papaya. There seems to be a commonality in the protein structures found in these foods with the protein found in Latex.

While it is theoretically possible for a dog to have an allergy to latex, latex gloves and other veterinary products containing latex are still used. It is possible for an animal to develop an allergic reaction, but the cases I have read about were deliberate treatment of animals to develop the allergy. This was done to study the allergic response itself.

Please do not Post rants here on how you feel about animal experimentation here.

Now…. To the use of condoms, the reaction that I read that dogs have to condom use is a reaction of the anti spermicidal additive in many condoms. Female dogs do not lubricate like human females, for more information, please read the “pinned” articles above. IF you were to use a condom, you might be less aware of when your canine partner was too “dry” and cause irritation to the tissue involved. Water based lubricants are considered safe. Do NOT use oil or Vaseline. Vaseline is a petroleum product and poisonous to oral ingestion. Remember …dogs lick….

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Posted: Jul 4 2008, 07:41 PM
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Why would you want to use a condum in the first place? I have never used them and have never had any diseases or infections. The temperature and PH differences between human and dog vaginas are such that contracting anything from intercourse is extremely unlikely unless you are hot swapping with a diseased human.
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Posted: Jul 4 2008, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE (LongThinDane @ Jul 4 2008, 10:41 AM)
The temperature and PH differences between human and dog vaginas are such that contracting anything from intercourse is extremely unlikely unless you are hot swapping with a diseased human.
LTD

Actually …. That is not a correct statement…


I searched for “ animal human diseases” and came up with this link. I am familiar with much of this information many of the topics have been in the news at one time or another.

Animal-Human Disease Transmission

Most of the issues with animal/ human transmission of disease/parasites are related to poor hygiene, on the part of the human involved. Good hand washing and avoiding oral fecal transmission (rimming with animals) avoids many shared problems with parasites. Round worms and tapeworms can also be transmitted to humans. There are shared parasites that come from undercooked meat, such as trichinosis and e-coli ( remember the Jack-in-the-box scare ?) Rabies is shared by saliva in a bite or possible saliva in an open wound, again inoculate your own animals and fence hoppers beware. Sexual contact would be a very low vector issue. By the way …. Brucellosis, Toxoplasmosis, Salmonella, Campylobacter, E-coli and Streptocococcus …. Are wonderful bacteria that can infect humans as well as animals…


If the bitch you are thinking of being active with is not your own, and that is why you are thinking of using a condom to prevent exposure of your interaction, you might want to rethink…..When you fence hop, you expose yourself to being bit, or in larger animals, kicked or stomped on, as well as being shot by an irate owner. You are exposing yourself to many unknown issues; the health of the animal is unknown to you.

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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 03:32 AM
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QUOTE (ms deelight @ Jul 4 2008, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE (LongThinDane @ Jul 4 2008, 10:41 AM)
The temperature and PH differences between human and dog vaginas are such that contracting anything from intercourse is extremely unlikely unless you are hot swapping with a diseased human.
LTD

Actually …. That is not a correct statement…


I searched for “ animal human diseases” and came up with this link. I am familiar with much of this information many of the topics have been in the news at one time or another.

Animal-Human Disease Transmission

Most of the issues with animal/ human transmission of disease/parasites are related to poor hygiene, on the part of the human involved. Good hand washing and avoiding oral fecal transmission (rimming with animals) avoids many shared problems with parasites. Round worms and tapeworms can also be transmitted to humans. There are shared parasites that come from undercooked meat, such as trichinosis and e-coli ( remember the Jack-in-the-box scare ?) Rabies is shared by saliva in a bite or possible saliva in an open wound, again inoculate your own animals and fence hoppers beware. Sexual contact would be a very low vector issue. By the way …. Brucellosis, Toxoplasmosis, Salmonella, Campylobacter, E-coli and Streptocococcus …. Are wonderful bacteria that can infect humans as well as animals…


If the bitch you are thinking of being active with is not your own, and that is why you are thinking of using a condom to prevent exposure of your interaction, you might want to rethink…..When you fence hop, you expose yourself to being bit, or in larger animals, kicked or stomped on, as well as being shot by an irate owner. You are exposing yourself to many unknown issues; the health of the animal is unknown to you.

Very informative Ms Dee..

I find myself thanking you quiet often and am only to glad to do so..

A 10 from deerhunter
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ms deelight
Posted: Jul 5 2008, 10:55 AM
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.... Thank you Deerhunter, :blush:


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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE (ms deelight @ Jul 4 2008, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (LongThinDane @ Jul 4 2008, 10:41 AM)
The temperature and PH differences between human and dog vaginas are such that contracting anything from intercourse is extremely unlikely unless you are hot swapping with a diseased human.
LTD

Actually …. That is not a correct statement…


I searched for “ animal human diseases” and came up with this link. I am familiar with much of this information many of the topics have been in the news at one time or another.

Animal-Human Disease Transmission

Most of the issues with animal/ human transmission of disease/parasites are related to poor hygiene, on the part of the human involved. Good hand washing and avoiding oral fecal transmission (rimming with animals) avoids many shared problems with parasites. Round worms and tapeworms can also be transmitted to humans. There are shared parasites that come from undercooked meat, such as trichinosis and e-coli ( remember the Jack-in-the-box scare ?) Rabies is shared by saliva in a bite or possible saliva in an open wound, again inoculate your own animals and fence hoppers beware. Sexual contact would be a very low vector issue. By the way …. Brucellosis, Toxoplasmosis, Salmonella, Campylobacter, E-coli and Streptocococcus …. Are wonderful bacteria that can infect humans as well as animals…


If the bitch you are thinking of being active with is not your own, and that is why you are thinking of using a condom to prevent exposure of your interaction, you might want to rethink…..When you fence hop, you expose yourself to being bit, or in larger animals, kicked or stomped on, as well as being shot by an irate owner. You are exposing yourself to many unknown issues; the health of the animal is unknown to you.

A hugely informative post as always by ms dee and she is quite right that bacteria can be transmitted to humans in several ways.

Pregnant women for example are always advised to avoid undercooked meat and animal faeces due to the possibility of contracting Toxoplasmosis among other things, which can result in blindness in the unborn child and I believe possibly deafness and brain damage.

My sister is completely blind in one eye and partially sighted in the other as a result of being born with Toxoplasmosis due to my Mother eating undercooked meat when pregnant.
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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 07:55 PM
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Actually, I meant to convey that transmission of diseases thrugh intercourse is rare. I apologize if my phrasology was vague, misleading or unclear. And, like you, I am unalterably opposed to fence hopping in any form whatsoever.
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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (curious1looking @ Jul 5 2008, 06:08 AM)





Pregnant women for example are always advised to avoid undercooked meat and animal faeces due to the possibility of contracting Toxoplasmosis among other things, which can result in blindness in the unborn child and I believe possibly deafness and brain damage.



curious1looking :kiss: There are many dangers to the unborn, a very important reminder . Thank you … :heart:

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Posted: Jul 5 2008, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (LongThinDane @ Jul 5 2008, 10:55 AM)
Actually, I meant to convey that transmission of diseases thrugh intercourse is rare. I apologize if my phrasology was vague, misleading or unclear. And, like you, I am unalterably opposed to fence hopping in any form whatsoever.
LTD



LTD.... I did not mean my post to be "in your face", pardon me if it seemed that way.

Most diseases that are considered sexually transmitted diseases ( STD’s) , ARE most often host specific. Reading Vet tech books, you will find mention of many diseases that are STD’s of specific species. There is very little study done with the cross over transmission with humans. I doubt there will ever be, due to the social stigma of human / animal sexual interaction. There has long been a myth that syphilis, developed thru sexual interaction from human / sheep. I did read an article that disproved that from a microbiological point of view and did so very well.

I just wanted to point out… that there are more than STD’s to be concerned with when one is sexually active with another species.


...... I also want to say, that once again I am reminded of the many who come here to the forum to be a greater part of the whole, a community. :heart:


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Posted: Jul 9 2008, 09:36 PM
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Thank you Ms Deelight. You made some very good points. One of the many great things about this forum is that we can all learn from each other.
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Posted: Jul 10 2008, 04:46 AM
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I'll second that, LongthinDane...this may be the ONLY place where we can learn from each other...a resource we should ALL use wisely... ;) Thanks, MsDeelight...For a lamp unto the darkness :heart:
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Posted: Jul 10 2008, 05:06 AM
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QUOTE (saddlebum66 @ Jul 10 2008, 04:46 AM)
I'll second that, LongthinDane...this may be the ONLY place where we can learn from each other...a resource we should ALL use wisely... ;) Thanks, MsDeelight...For a lamp unto the darkness :heart:

She sure is ....... *smiles softly* .... and her efforts are appreciated
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