lol...I'll make this a stand-alone post....The Scotsman for April 26, 2008 reports that it occurred in Essex, the pup was en-route from Sri-lanka, and that before it was quarrantined, it had bitten three people...Given that the disease takes about ten weeks to cycle, I have to believe that the "deaths " were a mis-report...I hope so...

As the pup was contained by the quarrantine, the authorities seem to feel that there is no further threat...

That could well be it ...... and it probably is .....

But the news report I saw definitely said the people died ..... a mis report ? Maybe .... I really don't know other than what I saw ........ but while a mis report is very definitely possible ...... deaths aren't something they're going to want the world to know ......

*shrugs* ...... I can't answer that one ....... but the UK media thinks Dublin is ruled by the Queen and part of the UK .... so how reliable are they ? Lol ......

Seems they don't know we've had our own governament, President and currency since 1922 ......

In any event .... time I wasn't here ..... ;)

<smile>...Ma'am...it sure enough happened...we keep intertwining our posts:blush: ...I didn't find anything on deaths in the UK or Ireland..the articles all still state there haven't been any fatalities there since 1902, and that's from sources for all the Isles.... :mellow:

This post has been edited by saddlebum66 on May 5 2008, 04:28 AM

*grins* ....... annoying! And I can tell you for a fact I had the car with me so not a drop of alcohol or any other mind altering substance had been taken ..... so I didn't imagine it .... and it was within roughly the last week .....

Sorry I can't be of more help but if I come across anything at this end I'll let you know .......

And I am definitely leaving now ......... late and I need sleep .......

If you do turn up anything let me know out of interest!

I just found this ! It says though the puppy died and not the people .....

Still in case you're interested .....

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0426/rabies.html?rss

Slainte', Ma'am...and sweet dreams....

I understand your concern and desire to have the members be aware of health issues. This Topic HAS been covered in a few threads, here in this section and in the Zoo section.

I will include the link for one other thread here in this section...
Transgenic Ailments, Disease and parasites

And a link I found to the most complete source I have found for health issues between humans and other species. The site information is from a vet...so I thought the link was better than trying to reinvent the wheel.

Diseases People Catch From Their Pets, Zoonotic Illnesses Of Dogs Cats And Other Pets

....Curious1looking and Saddle, thank you for the stimulating conversation...

< makes note to not feed the wild life... even if they have those cute little masked faces >

thanks for pointing out that this disease exists, but again, due to the already existing threads, many of us were already aware of this. :rolleyes:

I found it amusing that this site: CDC

listed ways that humans get this disease from animals. Sexual contact is not listed. I suppose this is because, while it is definitely a way to get it, its just not as common.

It was said already that out of billions of people, only a couple hundred get it. So its not that common. How many people are actually having sex with animals? Not as many; we all know that. So if these people contracted the disease from sex with an animal, they aren't going to brag about thats how they got it. They are probably going to cover up that fact.
What I think is that even though it is rare and there is a chance to get it from sexual transmission, would it be more likely that a person who gets it would have had sex with an animal? So out of those 100-200 people, how many contracted it from sexual contact? :thinking:

@curious1looking it doesn't really matter (about been unspecific) since both, the people AND the dog died. In the first place, since the people didn't new anything specific as to what has hit them (it is not only curiosity that kills the cat :-) The dogs would have died either by the diseases itself or by the vet or any hunter or else that would have carried a gun along. Dogs that catch on rabies are apt to be put to sleep.

yea, while doing it with a dog ensure he or she is healthy .... i wouldnt recommend unknown strays <_<

Timessquare...If You've seen a report of Human Rabies Fatalities in Ireland or the UK, please post or PM me with a link...Until I see this in a news setting, I'm not buying it.
The Scotsman reported the case in late April...even if it happened early in the month, there hasn't been enough time elapsed for end-stage rabies to develop in THREE separate human cases...Until I see it, It's hearsay...The Brit authorities are saying that this IS the first case of Rabies since 1922, and that it was contained after three people were exposed...but nothing about deaths from it...


These are the particulars of the disease...from an article in USA Today

Symptoms of Rabies
Symptoms usually develop between 20 and 60 days after exposure. Rabid animals may become aggressive, combative, and highly sensitive to touch and other kinds of stimulation. And they can be vicious. This is the "furious" form of rabies, the kind traditionally associated with mad dogs.

There is also a "dumb" form of the disease in which the animal is lethargic, weak in one or more limbs, and unable to raise its head or make sounds because its throat and neck muscles are paralyzed. In both kinds of animal rabies, death occurs a few days after symptoms appear, usually from respiratory failure.

In humans, the course is similar. After a symptom-free incubation period that ranges from 10 days to a year or longer (the average is 30 to 50 days), the patient complains of malaise, loss of appetite, fatigue, headache, and fever. Over half of all patients have pain (sometimes itching) or numbness at the site of exposure. They may complain of insomnia or depression.

Two to 10 days later, signs of nervous system damage appear, hyperactivity and hypersensitivity, disorientation, hallucinations, seizures, and paralysis. Death may be sudden, due to cardiac or respiratory arrest, or follow a period of coma that can last for months with the aid of life-support measures.



So,you see why I'm skeptical ...the timing isn't right...I work closer to the edge of this type of exposure than most people, so I'm always interested and looking...

Rabies can and does kill a small number of people every year. There was an episode of "House" the other month that had that as the topic. Usually it is caught from animal bites rather than sexually, although it is possible. Usually Rabies comes up in these types of threads because it is a very commonly thought of zoonotic disease.

Ok I have to admit I have developed an interest in this now, as I'm wondering whether I heard things on the television report when it said those people died ? Or could I have misheard in some respect ?

saddlebum in relation to your comment about Human Fatalities in Ireland or the UK since 1922 I did find this link from the BBC in relation to bats and a rabies death in 2002:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/2510317.stm

While it doesn't refer to the case in hand I thought you might find it interesting as it appears to show there has indeed been at least one death in the last 5 /6 years although from bats not canines.

This post has been edited by curious1looking on May 7 2008, 02:14 AM

I got a mod swearing at me in a pm and a suspension for my original post in this thread, so I couldn't reply earlier.

First I guess I should have mentioned the reason Brucellosis freaked me out so much is because I've had 7 or 8 of the symptoms listed on that wiki article, on and off, over the past year or two. Yes I've been to the doctor, but of course it's just assumed they're all unrelated issues, or a result of lifestyle conditions, which it could be, but I can't exactly ask him to check for a disease I could only really get from sexual contact with a dog.

So I was hoping for some proper facts about it all specifically relating to the beast community, ie, is that 10% of dogs thing correct? Because it seems pretty easy to contract from semen (or blood).

That's what I'm worried about, also the symptoms are so varied it could easily be passed off as unrelated health problems (like it could possibly be for me).

Also, yes Brucellosis was "mentioned" in some threads, I did search for it and went through almost all the results, but there was hardly any actual discussion. And clearly there's people who don't know it exists judging by some of your guides... I didn't either. So I think this topic is at least useful to some people other than me.