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in Europe. it tends to combine often zoofilia with [CENSOR]. someone has this perversion?
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QUOTE (Skyrune @ May 19 2008, 09:57 PM)
Since roboto bumped the thread - and I'm feeling chatty today - I'll weigh in again. B)

It's interesting (to me, anyway) that we here in the zoo community consider the idea of sex with a family member to be taboo...yet sex with a different species of mammal seems normal to us. I would bet that if this same question were posed on a Forum dedicated to the other lifestyle mentioned, they would think we are the weird ones. -_-

As someone said already, one thing both lifestyles have in common are nonacceptance by the masses. Even if someone didn't group the two together, they'd still be viewed as "taboo" (to put it mildly).

Consider two people, one in each lifestyle choice. Let's say one Zoo (for zoophile) and the other FS (for Family Sex). If they were to debate their separate views, you could imagine how the conversation would go:

Zoo: "Look I'm not judging you. All I'm saying is sleeping with your (sister/brother/mother/father/whatever family member) is unusual, that's all."
FS: "Unusual? This from someone who thinks it's ok to have sex with animals. At least I'm sleeping with a human."
Zoo: "It's not just empty sex. Animals aren't sex toys, a zoo cares for their animal lover."
FS: "And I care deeply for my (insert family member). How could I not? They are my family, flesh and blood."



Is it me, or are these two individuals a good example of the proverbial "pot calling the kettle black"?

Zoo could point out that FS is unnatural because the intimacy is with someone you share a blood bond with, grew up with. FS could counter that Zoo's pet is in fact a member of the family (which pets are, I think), and if crossing over to a different species is acceptable, why wouldn't a physical relationship with a human whose same blood flows in your veins be just as acceptable?

In the end I really think it all comes down to tolerance, depth of feeling, and how open-minded you are.

I consider myself very open-minded...I love to think, to consider. Put myself in someone else's shoes. Or just look at things in my own life from a variety of ways.
I can see validation for both lifestyles. The human psyche (hope I spelled that correctly) is a deep and powerful thing, as complex as any great mystery of the universe. Tied directly to that psyche is the human heart, the capacity to love, to desire.

What, in our desire, makes us embrace animals the way we do? What, in their desire, makes a FS embrace their lover the way they do?
Something in our genetic codes?
The longing to be loved by someone who is a staple of your daily life, and loves you unconditionally?
Wanting to take that standard love, and bring it to a physical level?
The ability to step outside society's idea of what is "right" and "wrong", and trust in what you feel?
A combination of them all?

And speaking of combination, that brings us back to the survey. Just when I was getting comfortable on my philosopher's soapbox! (lol) :P



Let me say something, honestly (Warning: Topic swerve and even deeper-thought discussion incoming! :P)...
I am a zoo of some degree (not physically active in it right now, but in the past having been active with a female dog for nearly a decade). By necessity I keep it hidden, yet I've always known how I felt, I understood it, and accepted it. Spending time here on BF I discovered (much to my surprise and joy) that I'm not the only one out there.

Since my first post on this thread topic, I've seen my aforementioned sister a few times. And once or twice...I did catch myself recalling this topic, this thread. It made me look at her in a new way. No, not in an "omg-I-want-her" way; More like a "Am-I-sure-I-didn't-feel-like-that-about-her?" way. Meaning, she was always someone I loved and trusted. Very pretty both inside and out. Someone who, had we not been related, I certainly would have been interested in pursuing a relationship with, physical or otherwise.

Would have been...easy to say that now, looking back. After all, like I said in my previous post the issue never came up. I know for certain that, even if I had felt that sort of desire for her, I never would have had the nerve to let it be known. Much more for fear of how she would feel/react, than fear of what society would think. She was dear to me, I'd never want to do anything to hurt her or cause her to think badly of me.

Ironically, almost the same hesitation present on my part prior to my female dog and I becoming physical; had she not made the first move (let me know it was ok, so to speak), we likely never would have becomes lovers. She stepped across that invisible line in the sand that I didn't have the courage to cross.

And it made me think...what if my sister had been bold enough - for lack of a better term, I guess - to cross that same line with me?
Avy* (my dog) came to me one night, got into my bed, and I didn't shy away. I didn't think it was wrong or crude or taboo; what mattered most was the affection, to presence of my :heart: in the matter...becoming intimate what just a deeper expression of it.
Had Angelica* (my sister) done the same thing, would I have turned away?? :ruck:

The more I think about it...the more I doubt it. I know myself. I know my heart, the desire that dwells in it both on emotional and physical levels. I would have embraced her, just as I did my animal. Would it have been wrong? Would it have made me a bad person? Would I have regrets about it?
Since nothing ever did happen of course, I can only speculate. Which if you haven't noticed, is something I kinda do, lol. :rolleyes:

There's another thread about regret/feeling guilty (that's not the topic but most of the posts in it lean that way), and when I posted there I could honestly say I didn't regret my zoo choices in life. It makes me wonder if I would have regretted a FS choice, had I ever been faced with one.

One thing I do know, is looking at my sister now I feel all the same love for her, my sibling, that I always have. I would have loved her the same way had I never been a zoo. I loved Avy for who she was, and I love Angelica for who she is, and in the end I think that's what really matters.

So, to the zoo end of the survey I say yes. ^_^
To the FS end of it, I say... :thinking:

~Sky




(Sorry for the long rant. I tend to just pick up a topic and run with it sometimes...)
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Posted on May 20 2008, 06:37 PM
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Sensationalists conflate (intentionally confuse) fringe sexual practices all the time.

The public (and to a lesser degree, the press) still confuses h0m0sexuality with pedophilia, despite the fact that these two populations have far less overlap than heterosexuality and pedophilia, or family members and pedophilia.

I'm sure that all sexual [SPAM] have some overlap, but I don't think that that's particularly significant.
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Posted on May 21 2008, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE (atomx @ May 20 2008, 06:37 PM)
Sensationalists conflate (intentionally confuse) fringe sexual practices all the time.

The public (and to a lesser degree, the press) still confuses h0m0sexuality with pedophilia, despite the fact that these two populations have far less overlap than heterosexuality and pedophilia, or family members and pedophilia.

I'm sure that all sexual [SPAM] have some overlap, but I don't think that that's particularly significant.

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Posted on May 21 2008, 03:57 PM
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i did not understand...stupid me XD
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Posted on May 21 2008, 04:09 PM
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No, I can't say I've had such fantasies, and I hate generalizations. My biggest pet peeve is those who generalize and prejudge me or people I know. Prejudice is the lowest form of discrimination, because you're judging someone whose name you may not even know.
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QUOTE (Ravana @ May 21 2008, 04:09 PM)
No, I can't say I've had such fantasies, and I hate generalizations. My biggest pet peeve is those who generalize and prejudge me or people I know. Prejudice is the lowest form of discrimination, because you're judging someone whose name you may not even know.

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Posted on May 29 2008, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (Horserov @ May 21 2008, 03:57 PM)
i did not understand...stupid me XD

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Posted on May 31 2008, 07:18 AM
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Posted on Jun 3 2008, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (Skyrune @ May 19 2008, 09:57 PM)
Since roboto bumped the thread - and I'm feeling chatty today - I'll weigh in again. B)

It's interesting (to me, anyway) that we here in the zoo community consider the idea of sex with a family member to be taboo...yet sex with a different species of mammal seems normal to us. I would bet that if this same question were posed on a Forum dedicated to the other lifestyle mentioned, they would think we are the weird ones. -_-

As someone said already, one thing both lifestyles have in common are nonacceptance by the masses. Even if someone didn't group the two together, they'd still be viewed as "taboo" (to put it mildly).

What interests me is how often or rarely someone with some highly fringe sexual practices is just as ready to condem other equaly fringe sexual practices.

If all the people are consenting adults, and there is no blatant animal cruelty or other laws being violated I think it should be legal.(with an exception for things like consentual canibalistic murders and the like)

I can't say that there seems to be a strong overlap between those to practices that I have seen in online fiction. The overlap that exists could well be accounted for by writers trying to break as many taboo's as possible.
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QUOTE (pt985 @ Jun 3 2008, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (Skyrune @ May 19 2008, 09:57 PM)
Since roboto bumped the thread - and I'm feeling chatty today - I'll weigh in again.  B)

It's interesting (to me, anyway) that we here in the zoo community consider the idea of sex with a family member to be taboo...yet sex with a different species of mammal seems normal to us.  I would bet that if this same question were posed on a Forum dedicated to the other lifestyle mentioned, they would think we are the weird ones.  -_-

As someone said already, one thing both lifestyles have in common are nonacceptance by the masses.  Even if someone didn't group the two together, they'd still be viewed as "taboo" (to put it mildly).

What interests me is how often or rarely someone with some highly fringe sexual practices is just as ready to condem other equaly fringe sexual practices.

If all the people are consenting adults, and there is no blatant animal cruelty or other laws being violated I think it should be legal.(with an exception for things like consentual canibalistic murders and the like)

I can't say that there seems to be a strong overlap between those to practices that I have seen in online fiction. The overlap that exists could well be accounted for by writers trying to break as many taboo's as possible.

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Posted on Jun 4 2008, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (pt985 @ Jun 3 2008, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (Skyrune @ May 19 2008, 09:57 PM)
Since roboto bumped the thread - and I'm feeling chatty today - I'll weigh in again.  B)

It's interesting (to me, anyway) that we here in the zoo community consider the idea of sex with a family member to be taboo...yet sex with a different species of mammal seems normal to us.  I would bet that if this same question were posed on a Forum dedicated to the other lifestyle mentioned, they would think we are the weird ones.  -_-

As someone said already, one thing both lifestyles have in common are nonacceptance by the masses.  Even if someone didn't group the two together, they'd still be viewed as "taboo" (to put it mildly).

What interests me is how often or rarely someone with some highly fringe sexual practices is just as ready to condem other equaly fringe sexual practices.

If all the people are consenting adults, and there is no blatant animal cruelty or other laws being violated I think it should be legal.(with an exception for things like consentual canibalistic murders and the like)

I can't say that there seems to be a strong overlap between those to practices that I have seen in online fiction. The overlap that exists could well be accounted for by writers trying to break as many taboo's as possible.

Very true.

That's the society of humankind in general, though...there is very much a mindset of "well this is ok because I'm doing it, but I don't do what you're doing, so I'm right and you're wrong". Hence, people get mislabeled or wrongly assumed about.

That's what offends people, I think. It can be on any topic, not just sexual, but lifestyle choices (especially ones involving sex) tend to be looked at as being the most "taboo", and thus the greater amount of overgeneralizing.

I consider myself to be very (if not extremely) open-minded, and I am not an easy person to offend. Really, if I get upset over something, it's because someone was really trying to upset me. Which is why if someone were to regard me as being into the family thing just because I'm into the animal thing, it wouldn't make me angry. I don't resent such people (well, I try not to, ;) ) because I understand them; I grew up around them, and in point of fact that made me strive harder to not be like them. It is one of the most dominant - and unfortunate - aspects of human nature...people fear what they do not understand. Most people cannot (or will not) understand a person of the zoo lifestyle, thus they lash out, hurt, make assumptions. It doesn't make it right, but defense mechanisms rarely act on logic.

One could make the point that this could have had some impact on my zoo/beast inclinations growing up; after all, your dog is never going to ask you if you've fantasied about sleeping with your sister, lol. :lol: :P But that's a topic for another thread. Or survey.

Your point about online fiction is spot-on. Fiction, fantasy, and taboo ideals are all popular subjects, and so it's logical that people would intertwine them here and there. Even if they don't write a story (or make a long rambling post, as yours truly is doing...again :ruck:), taking the subjects and drawing comparisons between them is interesting (well, to me at least). And so long as no wrong assumptions are made, or anyone is judged unfairly, making such comparisons is fine.

Like I said before, I think it would be interesting to know how many people out there (I'm talking about in the world in general, not specifically here on BF) are into zoo/beast, or into family, or into both. Like percentages of the population.

Or maybe I'm just one of those curious types who spends too much time thinking and wondering about stuff, lol. :lol:
After all, this is what, my 3rd time posting in this same thread? I hope roboto isn't sick of seeing my name come up. :P
It's just interesting to me, just as zoo as a lifestyle is interesting. I do not...and would not...view either as being wrong or unnatural. Provided all parties involved in the relationship/lifestyle are indeed legal and consenting, I say let people do what they wish, and whatever makes them happy. If you're only into one, that's fine. If you're into both, so be it. If neither is your thing, live and let live.

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QUOTE (Skyrune @ Jun 4 2008, 05:22 PM)
That's the society of humankind in general, though...there is very much a mindset of "well this is ok because I'm doing it, but I don't do what you're doing, so I'm right and you're wrong". Hence, people get mislabeled or wrongly assumed about.

That's what offends people, I think. It can be on any topic, not just sexual, but lifestyle choices (especially ones involving sex) tend to be looked at as being the most "taboo", and thus the greater amount of overgeneralizing.

What I was really wondering about is are people who are interested in highly nonconventional relationships and practices generaly much more tollerant of other practices or basicly view practices that don't interest them much as the general population does.
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QUOTE (Skyrune @ Jun 4 2008, 10:22 AM)
QUOTE (pt985 @ Jun 3 2008, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (Skyrune @ May 19 2008, 09:57 PM)
Since roboto bumped the thread - and I'm feeling chatty today - I'll weigh in again.   B)

It's interesting (to me, anyway) that we here in the zoo community consider the idea of sex with a family member to be taboo...yet sex with a different species of mammal seems normal to us.  I would bet that if this same question were posed on a Forum dedicated to the other lifestyle mentioned, they would think we are the weird ones.   -_-

As someone said already, one thing both lifestyles have in common are nonacceptance by the masses.  Even if someone didn't group the two together, they'd still be viewed as "taboo" (to put it mildly).

What interests me is how often or rarely someone with some highly fringe sexual practices is just as ready to condem other equaly fringe sexual practices.

If all the people are consenting adults, and there is no blatant animal cruelty or other laws being violated I think it should be legal.(with an exception for things like consentual canibalistic murders and the like)

I can't say that there seems to be a strong overlap between those to practices that I have seen in online fiction. The overlap that exists could well be accounted for by writers trying to break as many taboo's as possible.

Very true.

That's the society of humankind in general, though...there is very much a mindset of "well this is ok because I'm doing it, but I don't do what you're doing, so I'm right and you're wrong". Hence, people get mislabeled or wrongly assumed about.

That's what offends people, I think. It can be on any topic, not just sexual, but lifestyle choices (especially ones involving sex) tend to be looked at as being the most "taboo", and thus the greater amount of overgeneralizing.

I consider myself to be very (if not extremely) open-minded, and I am not an easy person to offend. Really, if I get upset over something, it's because someone was really trying to upset me. Which is why if someone were to regard me as being into the family thing just because I'm into the animal thing, it wouldn't make me angry. I don't resent such people (well, I try not to, ;) ) because I understand them; I grew up around them, and in point of fact that made me strive harder to not be like them. It is one of the most dominant - and unfortunate - aspects of human nature...people fear what they do not understand. Most people cannot (or will not) understand a person of the zoo lifestyle, thus they lash out, hurt, make assumptions. It doesn't make it right, but defense mechanisms rarely act on logic.

One could make the point that this could have had some impact on my zoo/beast inclinations growing up; after all, your dog is never going to ask you if you've fantasied about sleeping with your sister, lol. :lol: :P But that's a topic for another thread. Or survey.

Your point about online fiction is spot-on. Fiction, fantasy, and taboo ideals are all popular subjects, and so it's logical that people would intertwine them here and there. Even if they don't write a story (or make a long rambling post, as yours truly is doing...again :ruck:), taking the subjects and drawing comparisons between them is interesting (well, to me at least). And so long as no wrong assumptions are made, or anyone is judged unfairly, making such comparisons is fine.

Like I said before, I think it would be interesting to know how many people out there (I'm talking about in the world in general, not specifically here on BF) are into zoo/beast, or into family, or into both. Like percentages of the population.

Or maybe I'm just one of those curious types who spends too much time thinking and wondering about stuff, lol. :lol:
After all, this is what, my 3rd time posting in this same thread? I hope roboto isn't sick of seeing my name come up. :P
It's just interesting to me, just as zoo as a lifestyle is interesting. I do not...and would not...view either as being wrong or unnatural. Provided all parties involved in the relationship/lifestyle are indeed legal and consenting, I say let people do what they wish, and whatever makes them happy. If you're only into one, that's fine. If you're into both, so be it. If neither is your thing, live and let live.

Skyrune,
I admire the way you have posted on this, well thought and non judgmental, without some flippant quick response. I think we all have our own desire's perhaps they over lap in many ways such as FS with ZS or with D/s or homosexuality. It is like you said what most people do not understand they fear and make their own connections to what is what. I am disappointed when people make assumptions but I do understand that most of it comes from ignorance rather than stupidity (Maybe I am a hopeless optimist). I would never define myself as .....(insert "fetish/lifestyle")... I am a woman who is sexually open minded, and as long as what happens is between two consenting participants and in case of FS it adults, it's no one else's concern but perhaps my partner (spouse in my case) . To each their own I would never want to be judged on any level, so I try as I might not to judge another.
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