How come is it that people who are against zoo's refer to it as a diseas??
I overheard some people talking about beastiality and how people like us are infectious to todays sociaty, when really they probably have had thoughts about it. Well I say "people like us" should be proud to be who we are. When god or the mighty lord or whoever created this world they didn't put any rules or laws on who or what we could love, no he created all creatures equally, so really I feel bad for the people who don't get to enjoy the pleasure and companionship, and intamacy on a whole, deeper level. For some its just a different kind of sex but for me its love and passion. I love my baby gurl just as much as if she was human.

moved to zoo ;)

I suppose some of the extremely negative thinking regarding beastiality and zoophilia goes back to the often quoted verses in the bible that state that if a man and beast lye together, they will both be killed. Sorry but I don't know exactly where in the bible this passage is from, but I believe it is written in the old testament. So this naturally gets religious people all up in arms any time they hear about a fence hopper on a farm. Ironically farms are often located deep within the bible belt. Doesn't that just figure, God fearing religious zealot clashes with zoophile, with a spectacular view of beautiful countryside and lots of animals all around.
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I'm not absolutely positive of this, and if anyone can shed any light I'd appreciate it, but I have also heard that there's somewhere in the bible where zoophilia is actually condoned, though naturally people against our life style would never point those sections of the bible out.

But apart from people's strong religious beliefs, there's this general attitude among those people that don't particularly like animals at all, that animals are unclean, and that a human being that has sex with an animal will end up with some terrible uncurable infectious disease that's even worse than aids. These are the germ freaks, the people that run for the bathroom and wash their faces thoroughly and grab their mouth wash too if a dog starts licking their face. They somehow see animals as being dumb, unclean, and so low on the evolutionary scale that they can't possibly have any feelings and emotions. The scarey thing is that my mother was such a person, and for many years she fed me such ridiculous crap about guide dogs that I didn't get one because I believed her shit, and didn't think they were any good. Yes, it's really unfortunate that there are people in this world that are absolutely closed minded to the joy of animals, even as companions. You ask these people who are often living alone why they don't consider getting a cat or dog and they have a hundred different excuses as to why that would not be a good idea. They smell, they're unclean, they're too expensive, they bark too much, they might bite my grand children, they get into too much trouble if they're not watched, they depend on me too much, I couldn't go on vacation if I owned an animal and the list goes on and on. These people are missing out on one of the most beautiful joys in life, a wonderful relationship with an animal and I'm not even talking about a sexual relationship here, but they don't see it. They don't realize it. I guess there will always be people in society for which animals just don't do a thing for them emotionally, and that's really sad. Anyway, yes, I know how you feel and how frustrating some people's attitudes can be.

Shy

what ever floats there boat .i getting older and i dont realy care what people think .im happy, my girl dogs are happy nothing else matters :D

ive heard some down right horrible things and commends from people, particlaly from members of the RSPCA and other [SPAM], many of there members consider the ask of beastiality to be 'as foul as pedophilia and the punishment should be equal to such'
amazing realli how humans like these exsist, 300million sperm and thats the one that gets threw *sighs* and they say ignorance is bliss... :angry:

animals are not dumb, they are natural and blunt, and arent affraid to let you know exactly how they feel/think, if they do not like somthing they will walk away, if somthing they do not like persists, they ask/retaliate aggressively...

cast a thought back to say the 60's and 70's, ignorance had a stranglyhold over homosexuality, those with small minds beleved that homosexuals spread AIDS and other faital alements, but not much of that ignorance has faided into just the negative history of human ignorance, prohappes in 30 years the same maybe said for Beastiality, can you imagion a beast-pride parade? loads of fur-suits, animals and there lovers and owners... maybe even seeing humans in collar and leashes being walked by dogs, they would be down right amazing! :w00t:

i also read about laws regarding beastiality, as i recall it is perfectly legal in 32 states of America but over here in the United kingdom you can reseve life imprisonment :( but heres the intresting part, having sex with your animal is illegal, HOWEVER being taken BY your animal is Legal! ;) little loop-hole for my fellow britains.

will the ignorance sease any time soon? im affraid only time can tell... it always does... anyway thats my 2cents on this subject, a 10 for BeastMagicOne for starting this discussion and a 10 for all who have hiven there thoughts on this thus far, i hope more here take the time to add there thoughs. :angel:

It's not legal in any state in the US, there are just many states that do not have laws explicitly concerning zoophilia.
In such case they won't prosecute for carnality with animals, they'll use the large number of state & federal 'animal cruelty' laws, completely ignoring the fact that removing the animals from their home is more cruel. And during the prosecution process they have the animals euthanized.

Ignorance is the rule, not the exception. Ignorance breeds fear, and fear kills.

we are all more or less taught from childhood that in our society "good" sex is when one man and one woman make love (with the lights out and in the missionary position, of course!) and have children.

any other kind of sex, we are taught, is "bad" sex; and only "sick" people do those things.

my thinking is that usually, the people who scream loudest about how "sick" something is, have quite a large collection of pornography containing the "sick" sex. that way, they can watch how "sick" it is over and over again!

Just a reminder that religious discussion isn't allowed here, it would be advisable to avoid that subject as much as possible.

Anyway, people refer to bestiality as a disease for a few reasons. Some people consider it moral decay, others the result of mental illness. Regardless of their reasons against bestiality, it is called a disease when people believe the concept will catch on and "spread" to other people, further tainting an otherwise "normal" society with deviants.

I don't know what the exact laws are in the UK, but I doubt that's a real loop-hole. The burden of proof rests on whoever initiates and carries through with sexual activity. Humans can easily confess their own consent, but animal consent is only considered valid when they perform a sexual action by their own motivation, without human initiation.

This post has been edited by ZetterGRD on Mar 14 2008, 11:26 PM

In the UK the laws (I think?) are regarding penetration, and they do included both penetrating and being penetrated. I really don't think it's wise to rely on "My dog caught me naked, knocked me over and mounted me, officer!" as any kind of defense.


I think the reason people think of zoophilia as a disease, is because mental illness can be called 'diseases' by the general populace. eg, depression is a disease of the mind. And 'dysfunctional' paraphilias are listed as mental disorders. Things like homosexuality and body dysmorphism are still in the DSM, in the context that they cause distress or other problems.

The thing with zoophilia, like several other 'obscure fetishes', is that the practice of them is illegal or taboo in many places, and so the fetish itself is regarded by many as automatically a mental disorder. This in turn leads to it being regarded as a disease.


Not that most of the people calling it a disease will think that deepy into it, but that seems to be some of the unconcious reasoning of the public.

Ofc, all the reasoning in the world doesn't make these people any less annoying...

i used to worry, but now i couldnt give a flying f***... i am who i am and if people dont like it then they can go take a running jump......

i have a great deal of respect for zoo's and most the people on this forum....

all the best

clever-dog

This post has been edited by clever-dog on Mar 15 2008, 03:09 AM

i aint got a clue on the UK laws, all i know is it's illegal and i can get imprisonment for doing so if i get caught, and well, with Jacquline (my lover of 5 years) rescently deceased, i dont think being caught is a problem now.

zoo and proud, f**k the haters, and reguarding the laws... i go by this

"It is not illegal until you tell somebody or get caught" which in some respects is true

I've had to listen to plenty of negative zoophile comments....at first they usually enrage me because of the general populations ignorance but then later I realize it's misinformation that causes this ignorance. People also tend to say things because it's what the majority says(bandwagon effect). Just like with homosexuality 20 years ago, people don't want to accept change. I've even had to listen to comments from my own father(he has no idea of course).

No matter what you do someone will hate you

There will always be some people who hate you just for being different. Most of them don't want to understand anything regarding this topic at all. Doesn't make much sense to try to argue with someone who has such a fixed opinion.

This is a good discusson. Fortunatly there exists this forum for people such as myself to communicate with other zoophiles. It is the responsibility of every person that posts here to not step ouside the rules and give cause for the hater of zoophilia to shut us down. I'm certain that there are plenty of people against the lifestyle are just waiting to pounce.
As to why we are considered diseased, there are some very good insight into this which has already been presented. I guess that people are just naturally condescending, especially if they consider themselves to be in the majority. When it comes to sex though, there are similarities between all of us - some are closer matches than others - but each and every individual is unique. I don't condemn anyone elses sexual desires, or consider them to be wrong (except when harmfull to your partner if acted upon).
Human to human sex is animal sex if you consider humans as just a different kind of animal, as I do. It just so happens that I like male dogs to mount me, but if some man tries to do that, then there might be trouble. A dog wants the pleasure of sex, but most likely the man is about causing me pain, domination, and humiliation; This is ok by me but don't want to participate thank you very much. If a man finds another man that accepts the role under those terms, I'm happy for them, and can't understand why others can't seem to just "live and let live". Just don't get in my face about it though.
A dog might cause me pain, and I glady sacrifice for his pleasure, but causing me
pain is not his agenda. Humans seem to be the animal that is all about causing pain.