I was reading in interesting post here on Beastforum where the originating author remarked about seeing a woman walking a dog. He posed the question as to whether anyone else envisioned the people they saw on the street having sexual relations with their animal companions.

The author got me thinking. What was the woman walking the dog thinking? How many women and men, when sitting at home pet their dog and feel a sexual warmth, however unrecognized or however quickly pushed aside.

How often does her master's member swell, ever so secretly, as Fluffy lovingly laps her master's hand? Is Mrs. Smith feeling distantly uncomfortable as her nipples tighten when she holds adoring Rex in her lap?

I looked a bit at the literature available on the web to get an idea as to the numbers of folks who suppress their feelings about animals. How many of them are there for each of us that acknowledge our sexuality? :thinking:

I saw a recent study that cited the number of people who had touched their pet sexually at 2-8% but the number who had fantasized about sex with an animal at 10-20%. (I'll try to dig up the reference - it wasn't Kinsey). I am not as concerned with the number as this will vary with the author's method and access. What I am interested in is the magnitude of the "repressed" or latent zoophile population. This author found a 5x greater audience of those secretly pondering the odd bestial fantasy.

An ongoing Internet survey of sexuality (http://www.survey.net/sv-sex.htm) found that 21.4% of individuals were "Bestiality-curious" with 3-13% reporting they had had some form of sexual contact with an animal. What is of note is that the survey's measure of what I consider repressed or latent Zoos is consistent with the earlier study cited above.

In fact, in the book "Between Pets and People: The Importance of Animal Companionship " authors Beck and Katcher cite 30% of the men who visit "peep-shows" select animal human sexual subjects. This leads me to think that there is a large, silent group of people who discretely feel sexually attracted to their pets, no matter how carefully hidden it might be.

If the numbers of those fantacizing, repressed, or uncomfortably aroused is around 20%, roughly five times our Zoo population's size, then it is a distinct possibility that the slight pink I see in the cheeks of my wife's dinner guest as she pets my dog is reflected in a corresponding blushing in her breasts and moistening of her loin.

I'll be looking at the others in my world more carefully over the next few weeks. I would love to hear about your experience with this.

Most people who own pets see them as a member of their family, or as general friends and companions. Such people naturally will not develop any sexual feelings or fantasies for their pets. Also, the vast majority of pets are spayed and neutered, so this creates a further obstacle that prevents people from thinking such thoughts.

While people may have occasional thoughts of bestiality, it does not mean they are repressing any urges, and does not mean they are latent zoophiles. People may fantasize about animals, but fantasy is very different from reality, and people may avoid having real experiences because they genuinely don't want to. To cite a human comparison, many people who consider themselves straight may confess to having random thoughts about the same sex, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are latent bisexuals.

All things considered, real sexual attraction to animals is probably not as common as one might think, even considering all the people who may be repressing or hiding their feelings. Many people simply have a fetish or kink for animal sex or porn, and nothing more. They are not sexually attracted to animals, and may even find the concept of genuine attraction to be unpleasant or repulsive.

Interesting. So you feel the fantasy about sex with an animal is bourne out of the psyche rather than a genuine desire?

I am not like that. Perhaps my world is more (mabye less - when I think of it) controlled. If I want something, I assume it is because I really do want to try that something. (Then, of course I usually do... :D )

I appreciate your insight. Do you think the number of us who engage in sex with our animals is more representitive of the true number of Zoos or the 20% that say they have an interest (I read fantasy)? Much appreciated.

--ColumbusJack

I totally agree with ZetterGRD! I have met a lot of people online that claim to have a real interest in the lifestyle, but found more so they just enjoy watching porn! It should come as no shock that as the more vinilla porn starts to loose its luster, people turn to the more erotic! So that said i would say more are into the idea, of being a beast lover then actually being a beast lover!

For me, its attraction... Dogs are the sexiest animals on earth... And i am lucky enough to understand that about myself....

i agree with Zetter, just because u have a thought, doesnt mean ur repressing any urges, maybe people who do fantasies about it are just after pornography rather than the actual "relationship" factor behind it and show an interest in the porn side rather than the relationship side to beastiality.

myself, im a dog lover, always have been, always will be... never once have i had any feelings for another person, well anyway yeah, dogs are the way to go for me... you can tell me how "wrong" or "strange" i am... i couldnt care

also, 100th post now :D

I think this is true for the majority. The % of us in the population has not changed, we simply have common meeting place to express ourselves. With growing popularity of this forum among us, it too makes it seem common place when interacting in public.

This is something that is very taboo at this stage in time but will eventually make it out as "mainstreem. <-- the internet will see to that with expediency. What is the next stage of sexual tendency that will push its way forward I wonder? Regular sex & same sex is old news now :P

Personally I like being in the closet because it will insure longer lasting desire for some "things" I cannot have. :ph34r: Its all primal attraction for me, natural attraction as far back I can remember.

Congratulations on 100th post, love 69.

It is interesting to read what Zetter, Roxy, Nature and Love69 say. I had assumed that if a person were imagining sex with an animal that they felt a similar connection to their pets as I did, just not as intense. I figured that they simply channeled the unwanted sexual attraction elsewhere. I should re-think that.

I guess I can understand the erotic/taboo causality. It does feel taboo to me still, I am obviously in-the closet, but the novelty wore away long ago. My personal connection to my pets has been deep and, while sexual, transcends just lust. I feel a great deal of empathy and a singular connection with them. I also truly enjoy the purity of the relationship. (Is it ike that with you?)The sexual aspect is quite intense but I would share my life with my pet even if sex were not an option.

The sexual attraction for me is different in some ways than that which I feel for people. Mostly it is just in the level of arousal, though. I agree with Roxy that they're sexy as hell. You don't think that if a non-Zoo woman were introduced to sex with a dog, that she would discover something she would like? (I guess that means there is no hope my wife would ever come over to "the dark side". Too bad, now that would be sexy.......)

Interesting insights .....

--ColumbusJack

This post has been edited by columbusjack on Feb 28 2008, 02:22 PM

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Wow, what a great topic thread this is Columbusjack! Shooting off in a slightly different direction for a moment, I've often wondered how many guide dog owners have sexual relationships with their guide dogs being that they are with them 24 7, and being that they are extremely close to them since they act as their eyes and have often saved their master's lives. The feeling of gratitude can be truly emense. Now, being that all guide dogs are spayed or neutored, this certainly lessens the possibility for sex between a blind person and his or her guide dog. I was recently discussing this topic with another BF member via E-mail who suggested that it's something that guide dog schools are probably aware of, but certainly wouldn't ever discuss. This may be part of the reason though that often blind people are given same sex guide dogs rather than a dog of the opposite sex. But given the amount of time that a blind person is around their dog building up a loving trusting relationship, and given the dog's desire to please their master, I bet that this happens behind closed doors more often than folks might think. Now, I never really thought of Blazer in a sexual manner because he was a male dog, and my sexual attraction is generally to female dogs. I often let Blazer french kiss me when I was feeling down and depressed which happened a lot once I realized that my marriage was going to hell in a hen basket, but I never once touched his cock at all, and the thought of doing so never even crossed my mind. Somet times after frenching him for a while, there would be some pre come on my dick, and Blazer would try to lick it off but I never really encouraged this because I always felt guilty about doing so.

I do remember though, that once I was moved out of our bedroom and had to sleep on a matris in the coldest bedroom of the house, I was struck by the fact that Blazer definitely loved me much more than my wife did at that point. Within seconds after I was awake each morning, he would get off the floor and crawl onto the matris with me, wrap one of his front paws around my neck and snuggle up next to me as close as he could get, and give me a good morning kiss. I was completely overwhelmed by this at the time! I remember being so surprised at this at first, and thinking that it was a real shame that my dog knew more about how to love me than my wife did. Now I realize that this is actually very common, and that overall, a dog will be much more loyal to you for the rest of his life than many people are in marriages and relationships. Unlike people whose emotions can change drastically over the years, once you have a dog's love, unless you misstreat him or her, you have that love and loyalty for the rest of his life.

While I agree with many of the other posters on here that just because a person might think about sex with animals, that doesn't mean that they are a latent Zoo, (take my friend for example) I do have to wonder though like you, just how many Zoos are out there that can't even admit that that is their sexual preference and keep fighting it and denying it even to themselves.

Shy

I think a lot of furries repressed zoo's, especially the ones who like furry sex

Very well stated.

We must remember the percentage he admit it are only those who "will" admit it. Some are so full of denial, possibly, they won't even admit it to themselves.

I've seen that happen with a lot of people. This girl I know, who is also a zoo, had this boyfriend who she said would watch her get screwed by a dog, but wouldn't do anything of that nature himself. Just to give an example, really. I think it is a bit more common than we think among people who have really wanted to get a certain animal but haven't been able to... it makes sense to me, as I've always wanted a dog for about as far back as I could remember wanting anything, and I still don't have one.

Long ago on the zoo boards there were many who complained about people who are not zoo, but are into zoophiles, and usually just as spectators. They called them "zoophiliophiliacs" or something like that. It was frequently used in the zooier-than-thou wars of those days.

This post has been edited by Barb Dyer on Mar 7 2008, 11:56 AM

The conversation is really interesting. I am learning so much.

Are any of you Zoo fans, but not interested in sex with a different species?

Do you feel love or empathy with animals at all?
Do you have urges but cannot bring yourself to overcome societal taboos?
What about us/the act of bestial or zoo sex turns you on?
Have you tried? What did you feel inside?

Thank you.

*Truly Interested*

--ColumbusJack :thinking:

Well I agree I believe a lot of furries, serious furfen that is, are sexually repressed and would consider at least trying the zooey/beasty lifestyle. But then again, serious furfen constitute hardly any larger percentage of the population than zoophiles do. In fact, there are probably more zooeys/beastys or potential zoos than there are serious furry fans.

That said I also believe there are larger percent of the population who have considered the idea at least in a voyeuristic sense or as a passing thought/fantasy. But these are seperate from the people who have a repeated or constant interest in this lifestyl, once again as a voyeur or a practitioner.