About 3 years ago as I started to train neighbours dog , on a step by step instruction from a married german woman on the internet. I did find my husbands secret Hard Disc with all the passwords, chatrooms paysites ect. I was chating alot in the ,,[SPAM] bestiality chat,,. I was there every day becouse I needed to know all about animals especialy about sex with animals. There I have met a girl with the nick,,Pagan_Girl,,We chated every day for hours on yahoo messenger,and we got along very nicely. Actualy more than nicely, as I could not get enough of her and her knowledge and experiences with animals, sothat we ended up having sybersex online. It was great, and I did not believe that love on the internet could eventuate. But it did, I must admit that I was in love with a woman. But I'm not starting this new topic to admit my weaknes, but I'm asking someone to comment on the paganism and bestiality. That girl told me lots about theyr custom and comunity rules , and I wonder if I was to naive at that time and belived what she has told me. She told me that they lived on a small farm here in australia, And yes in that area afe many small farms and somy hippy comunes. They lived in total isolation, and they ruler was what they called whizzard or wizzard. They were about 200 people with slightly larger number of females. They had absolutely unrestricted sex with each other or any animals they desired, but they had one rule,, they had to let others know what they are about to do, sothat everyone was welcome to join in. They lived as married pairs, but theyr marriage ceremone was rather wierd. On they weddings ,the bride must submit hersenf to whoever want to have sex with her, but before that, she must have sex with 4 types of animals sothat any mens sperm will be destroyed, and she would not concieve from other man. Theyr income was from prostitution, they had some best looking women driven to a big city to have sax for money, becouse the comunity did not produce much to live on. Ok, thats just few things I can not forget, but the reason I'm puting this here today is to hear from all you people becouse I belive now that I was to naive. Or was I ? please comment,,,,,,,,,,,
cheers, zennie

Ok first off speaking as a practicing wicca and a pagan....i would have to say that it would depend on her coven. Some covens are like that, however most are not. Pagans and wiccans are nature loving and worshipping people, we embrace nature as whole. This however does not mean that we have sexual relations with objects in nature. We respect the laws of nature and are bound by the wiccan rede.....we are also not into animal sacrifice or any other kind of sacrifice. I hate to get all up on my little high horse here, but as a wiccan i feel that it should be addressed. If there are any others out there then by all means post. But from my experiance with covens and as a solitary practioner then no...her statements were a tad bit false.


Love, light, and merry meet. Blessed Be!

WOW!
k9 wiccan, you have made my day. Thank you very much.
Honnestly I'm happy to know that I was not that much naive, becouse I belived her. Be blessed.
zennie

Because I guess religion is a seriously forbidden on this board, I here use paganism to mean some ancient myth-culture. In Greek myth there IS bestiality. Some Druids in Celt use bestiality to perform a god-worshipping rite. And in ancient Egypt, China, Maya, Aztec, there possibly being some bestiality "religious" rites. They probably think bestiality is a way to contact with nature, rather than sexual satisfactory.

I'm a bit confused here. I think Zennie was asking if pagan/wiccan allows or accepts sex with animals. Was the answer that it depends on the coven? I just would like a bit of clarity on this one and if you have further info it would be great.

Thanks

Equineslurp, I appresiate every respond and every point of view, no matter how differend. But the very first respond from k9wiccan was spot on. Thats the direction I would like to have information about. Actualy I just wanted to confirm that I was not to naive. Not long ago perhaps two weeks ago someone here in this forum asked if there was a place where animal sex is common or permited, or something like that. Well there it is, it seems not to be a place but a lifestyle, or faith, or believe, or just whorshiping the nature. Now here is an Idea, just a Idea. If such siciety exists, or if newone is founded, and if it is managed wisely, on grounds of prosperity, health, selfsuportive, than others my follow. Especialy if the world gona plunge in turmoil. But I would love to know more about the rules rituals, and sexual practices in a cowen,,, ho knows,,,,,,one day ???

in a form of logic

there maybe one or few small communities that do practice some form of shamanic, druid or Irish wittan ritual or some what follow the life style there of, but it sounds like, it's their own way.
There is no right or wrong way of witch craft as long as it harms none.
It does sound a little bit extreme to state that their only source of income is prostitution.
sure sex is an in thing with those who practice the craft as it's part of life's cycle
but to have sex as the marital ritual sounds over the top also saying that it depends on the individual/s if they are into sex or not

there are events where wiccans, pagans, and all sorts of practitioners can congregate
but I have heard of no communities here in Australia that live their lives similar to the Amish with Lust as a center of their ways

personally the whole thing sounds a bit screwed up and some what fantasized

WolfLust, So you are australian. That pagan comune supouse to exist in Nango area . By the way, Did you follow the story about that girl from Queensland coast somewhere, her picture was on the front page of a Magazine Called,,Picture,, she was on the photo with two large Collumbian ratts attached to her breasts. Than the next day A differend news crew went to see her , and she admited that it was sexualy stimmulating to have ratts suckling on her breasts. Than after that news,,, the townfolks runn her out of town, After she was runn out of town, she went to live in a comune in northern NWS, where the women attached the animals not only to theyr breasts. And that ratt woman was instantly theyr Goddes. It was all in the papers few years back. So such or simular comunes do exist. Even here in Australia.

Yeah you'll find a lot more of the far-out communities up in northen NSW, its good country up there lots of cheap land, a bit of distance from the cities.

Maybe a take a holiday up there, Nimbin would probably be a good place to start hanging round and may give you som clues as to what the local communes are like.

I belong to a circle (coven seems too structured to us), and whether privatly practised by some in our group, it is not sactioned generally. One statement is true, "no right or wrong way, if it harms none".
I remember seeing a film back in the 60's about this primative tribe in the South Seas. A woman who lost her child while still nursing, had to suckle piglets until her milk dried up. While probably not done to enjoy beastial contact, I think ti was done so nothing is wasted, a very pagan concept indeed.

May I use this chance to express my hopes that all in this group, no matter what their beliefs, no matter what holiday they celebrate, Hanukkah, Chirstmas, Kwanza or Yule, may it be blessed.

*Frowns*

Be careful before you start lobbing in phrases like Irish wiccan (which I presume you meant) ritual please!

I'm Irish ..... the 100 per cent born and bred here and still living here variety ... and I have never heard of anything like this.

I would appreciate if you didn't throw in comments blithely like this about people living in other countries :huh:

So that we're all clear here...Yes i'm sure that back in the olden times when paganism was not considered "taboo" then there probably was a lot of mating with animals. However, now a days in most wiccan/pagan circles you will not see it, hear of it or even know it is a way of life. Partly because now in most of those circles it is viewed as not communing with nature but taking advantage of nature and that is something that one who practices the faith most NEVER do. Pagans, wiccans, neo-shamans and druids are all bound by basically the same rede....if you take from nature then you MUST ask and replenish. So yes...when i said it depends upon the coven or practioner i was right....it depends upon what rituals they use when they "mate" with an animal.

Anyways...hope that helps some people. If not check out a few websites on Wiccan and Paganism or read something by Scott Cunningham

Brightest Blessings and Happy Yule!!!!

k9wiccan, Happy Yule to you to, but twice so much. Whatewer it is or whatewer it means. Thanks for your verry imformative post. You are saying that it depends upon what rituals the pagans or wiccans use to mate with animal. Well, that comment has made me think what rituals are we using to mate with animals? but I can not speak for enyone else but only for myself. So why am I having sex with a dog? I have comme to the following conglusion : I'm messuring my sexual happyness by the number of orgasms I atcheave during a sexual intercourse. I'm not messuring the intensity of love, becouse I know that I love my husband, and I love the dog I'm having loveaffaire with. By having sex with my husband ,or my premarrital sexual experinces, I have one or if I'm lucky two orgasms. But with a dog, I had sex with few dogs in my neighbourhood.I have 4 to 7 orgasms each time in one session of 30 to 45 minutes. Not to confuse you here becouse I'm saying 45 minutes, becouse having a dog the missionary style, I can hold him as long I want him in me, becouse it is so eazy to controll him thatway. Even after he is semy hard, and would eazily flopp out , i'm still having great leasure just have him in me. Many times I had more than 7 orgasms,, far more, but after it becomes to intensive and I loose the count becouse i lost time and space. So that is my reason why I'm mating with dogs. But whatever reason the pagans, wiccans or whoever have sex with animals,, does not realy matter to me , as long it feels good to them, and the animals involved. I remember some newspaper reports , (negative reports) about the treehuggers. So what? three is a living thing, and a tree does not discriminate to whom it gives shade or fruit. But the people seem to have differend effections for a tree. Ok thats all, ,,cheers
zennie

I was always very interested in Druidism. In many games that involve Druids, they're also related with animals such as wolves. And there's wolf totem worshipping in more than a few ancient religions.
And in a Chinese folklore, a princess married a dog, and derived a tribe.

Hi Just too add my 10 pennies worth the Pagan way of life is to respect nature in all her glories and i have found that a true Pagan or Wiccan will not talk about the life style too much as it could confuse a person. As a Pagan i have never forced myself on a human or animal lady so for someone too be told that they must have sex with 4 animals too me would be a disrespect too that person , to the animal, and to their Coven. When I make love with my Dane Bitch it is a warm and loving embrace of life and of mutual desire. I have kept this short as would not want to bore anyone for too long. heares to a Happy New Year too you all and may our life style be less dificult in 2008. Blessed Be.... :heart: :heart: