Ok I'm tired of this, some people don't know the difference from beastialty and Zoophila!

We here we go, this is the definition's of both.

Zoophila:

Is a person that has contacted with an animal were they love them more then anything in the world and would never let anything come to harm them or force them.
We do not sell or trade our loved ones, there are, as far as I'm concerned is a part of our life!

Beastiality:

Is a person that only loves the animals for sexual releaf and thinks that there animals are expanable once they reach old age, they force them and harm them at the same time there doing it!
Beast's are people who would sell there mare for a "better" mare! Wtf


There is even ranks amon zoophile's!

This post has been edited by Spirit on Mar 21 2004, 06:48 PM

thank you for the definitions, spirit <3

Ranks amon Zoophila's.


True Zoophile:

Is a person that has contacted with an animal were they love them more then anything in the world and would never let anything come to harm them or force them.
We do not sell or trade our loved ones, there are, as far as I'm concerned is a part of our life!

Zoophile:

Is a person that has contacted with an animal were they love them more then anything in the world and would never let anything come to harm them or force them.

Semi-Zoophile:

Is a person that loves them and would never let anything come to harm them or force them.

Pending Zoophile:

Is a person that is not looking for a relationship but a sexual relationship and loves them and makes sure that they wont be harmed or forced.

Zoophile curous:

A person that has not had an experince but is interested into zoophile and that person cares for animals and would not let anything happen unrightful happen.

This post has been edited by Spirit on Mar 21 2004, 07:05 PM

Hello. I don't think that I could have defined them better. Thanks for that Spirit.

I agree, you got that very good

How about this one?
Would this be zoo or best?

Zoo/Bestiality-fetish: Getting off by looking at act of sex between human and animal, though not being interested in actual sex with animals ??

Hello. In my own interpretations as well as opinion I would believe that to be beast. As no love or even care is shown towards the animal. By watching you care not for both the animal and person. It becomes more of a sexual interest or fetish. I am not even sure if you could classify it as beastiality, but it definately does not fall onto the side of zoophilia.

Hi folks,

I've agonised a lot over making this post - I hope everyone takes it in the spirit of community in which I am trying to make it and that I manage to make the words say what I mean.

Spirit, much as I agree with you on the definitions of "zoophile" and "bestialist" I would be very wary of trying to split up the zoophiles into "x is more of a zoo than y" - I can see what you're trying to do and of course those of us who are zoos all aspire to love our partners but, not wanting to come the old f**t who's been there and seen that, I have seen these things turn into "I'm more zoo than you" and then the problems start

My personal opinion is that we as zoos have enough problems in the world with all the difficulties and predjudices that we have to face. It would be sad if we turned against people in our own community because they "weren't zoo enough" - after all who is to judge one love stronger than another?

Spirit - I know that not for a minute have you, or anyone here, has even suggested that some zoos are "better" than others but I think we should all be aware of what slitting us up into categories could lead to - and try to make sure it doesn't. If we love our animal partners, even if we haven't been intimate yet, then we are zoos.

To love, I hope, is enough.

Dracunculus

Posted already in the general forum, so I'll copy/paste it here too.


Actual definitions:

Zoophile: One who "loves" animals. (It can be, and has been, used in many more contexts than that this forum sees.) Fr. [Zoophilia] 1) The forming of a strong emotional bond with animals 2) A sexual deviation involving a fetish with animals 3) An emotional deviation transferring emotion commonly directed to other humans onto animals 4) An inordinant display of emotion for animals

Bestialist: One who engages in sexual activity with animals (beasts) Fr. [Bestiality] The act of engaging in sexual activity with beasts


Thats all there is to either term. Your own use of, or refusal to use, either term is based solely on personal definition of self. Therefor, those personal definitions are only binding to self.

I will add this much, wether you call yourself "Zoo" or not, if you've had sex with a non-human, you are by definition a bestialist. That term carries niether positive or negative connotation. It is simply one who engages in the act.






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silverwolf- Tippys mate

As some of the people in BF said, we make our own religin and I also make my own defenation's!
This is all my own way of explaning who I am and how I am apart from the beasts.

We can not all be beasts just because there is people who force sex and what not, so therefore we make up a word devideing us.

I'm not gonna follow on what some fucken book says!
I make my own religin and my own words thank you!

(I forgot to putt this is in my own opinon, that is my fault!)

I'm sorry you do not agree with me silver but hell you can go ahead and follow on what the book says by all means go ahead.

We are a community and hell almost a nation! We build the tools, we make the rules!

Thank you all for posting but weather you like it or not, we have created another way so apart us from the unrightous.

This is all my own opinon and everything is so please do not flame me cause I do not want to be flamed or flame anyone, you want to say something make sure you say, "In my own opinon"

Nice childish outburst Spirit. Read my post before attacking it, rather than let your own insecurities see enemies where there are none. I also note how you flame anothers opinion while demanding acceptance of your own. "Tolerance" huh? Kinda like the tolerance in the "this is my own opinion, but you must accept it" (paraphrase) part of your post.

Here are the facts Spirit. "We" are not a "religion". We are not held or bound to your personal definitions of bestiality or zoophilia. We are not a "Nation" under your or any other leadership. We are not even "like-minded" on most things.

We ARE individuals, with individual opinions, feelings, thoughts and beliefs. "We" already have adequate terms to define those who abuse, [CENSOR] etc. without further dividing those who don't.

You and I both follow very similar personal beliefs on what makes us who we are and how that guides our relationship(s). There are two huge differences though. You refuse to tolerate any "zoo" who doesn't fit your mold, insisting they are not "True zoo", and you would rather attack than educate on abuse.

We don't need divisions and intolerance, or re-definition.

The point of my post was, and remains, you can call yourself whatever you like, but we are under no obligation to call ourselves any of your definitions, nor to call you your own.

Ok, Silver.

I am not a leader of anygroup shape or size or form.
You belive were individuals, with individual opinions, thats your own opinon!
Silver I do not wish to fight but post on this how you wish, but regardless of what book or law says on defination's there wrong.
Sorry it's just the way I am, I have alot to say on this.
And I did not flame you for you have falmed me I can only return the asshole favor back thanks.

Like I said before I do not want to be flamed and do not wish to flame but hell if you so wish to start fights go somewere eles please I don't want to.

Did I call you childish? By you saying this you further the flame.
Did I direct a inslat to you?
NO!

But I end this and I am not going to flame post on this and for if there is anymore flaming going on I will personaly ask the MOD to remove this POSt and shell never be speaken of again!

BOTTOM LINE!

We all have our own thoughts and beliefs and even opinons, I thank you for your opinon but again my was an opinon, that is what I think, in my own mind.

Do not try to convert me! Hell if I don't belive in some law or rule or defination I'm not gonna belive what you think is right!

IT'S MY OWN OPINON! GET OFF YOURSELF! PLEASE!
I am a simple person do not further my life with disagreements and agurments about that.

I request that you leave it as be! You have a differnet opinon on that, Don't flame me, you think otherwize don't flame me, you have something to fight about don't talk to me, I do not wish to fight with anyone period! I have my own opinons thanks and if you don't agree then you can go off and fight with other people cause I am not in the mood to fight about that stuff, so please back off or help me god this post will be gone before you can say "MOD!!" I do not wish to fight.

I posted this, I can very well end it!
This is my little fantasy world I can belive whatever the hell I want.
My own opinon is like my own god! I do not expect for you to agree on it! Simply it's just my opinon you have something bad to say then say nothing at all.

This post has been edited by Spirit on Mar 22 2004, 11:52 AM

Like J.B.Tito said: "Everyone is what he/she feels that he/she is." I believe that we should just be ourselves and don't get too concerned about definitions or labels.
Personally, I hate labels! I strongly feel against classification of people into categories: it seems that it often leads into discrimination or fruitless im-better-than-you-cause-im-thisandthis-and-you-are-not discussions.

As for those who force animals into sex, there is a clear and simple expression to describe them clearly: "animal r*pists" (please excuse my use of the r-word). Just my two bits.

Hmm, i though long - very long - if i should add something or not...
Im with what dracunculus said. We are way to few to split us up into 'good' ones and 'bad' ones...
I can understand and respect your opinons about the topic Spirit. I allways have to force myself from thinking in 'lables'! Its to damn easy to do it...

Everyone is a individual and makes rules to live by for his own. There will allways be someone who sais this is right and this is wrong and there will allways be someone who agrees and disagrees with one of both...
Some might call this politics! And whats the final step of politics? Right - War!
This is almost allways the end where debates - when someone dont wants to concider to think of a second choice - like this are made.
You might want to disagre with Silverwolf, its your choice and to me its ok to defend them. I know its hard to choose the right words sometimes and when your emotional in situations like this it never turns out the way it should be. Thats the reason i allways try to take time and think very long before i make a proper answer...
Silverwolf only pointed out the defenition of what is written - the deffenition by others have to judge us and all of our kind. And even if his words might have sounded hars or unwelcome, dont repay it the same way. There is no need for a thinking like 'An eye for an eye! To soon we all would be blind

Thats the reason why i dont call myself only zoophile! I am what i am, label me how you like. Im zoo because i love my mates and every animal, im a beasty because i also have sex with them.
Allways remember those are only words!!
Of course we need to seperate us from those who only 'use' their animals but not by lableing or usage of words! Allways seperate yourself from them by what you're doing and how you are!
I know from zoos who think someone who watches movies and pictures with sex between animals and humans is a 'beasty'. I also read on a long gone zooforum from someone who said every zoo who has sex with an animal is a 'beasty' In the eyes of that guy everyone on this forum who has or had sex with his mate is a 'beasty'

I doupt that you would share this opinion - or do you? Just curious!

I think we are many, but we are a comunity of likeminded and conceted by our loves, likings and desires. But does that turn us into a relegion or a nation? I dont think so, but still we are something like that!
Only our believes and motives are different to them - again they both are only a defenition someone made some day in the past. Infact both are just a connection of a couple of people who follow a selfmade goal! Nothing more nothing less!

I dont hesitate to say we all are only humans! And humans tend to make mistakes, thats ok as long as one can accept that mistake and learn from it!

*sigh* I guess i totaly missed the point of this posting but i got the words from my soul.
Spirit my friend dont k!ll the bearer of bad news Get those who made the news!

You'd think I started this post, but no, I'm not part of this one

Jeeeez!
I wanted to engage this discussion, but Spirit has been banned. I guess over cyber rage
and abuse. I agree with Silverwolf for what it is worth. Sounds like wisdom to me. Spirit had spoken his/her truth, but I thought it smacked of dogmatism (forgive me!) too. Nobody likes to be defined by someone else even if they agree with the definition. Also: It seems there runs through the "community", as in many communities, a sense of self-righteous possessiveness (wow! 6 S's in that last word!) over the expression of its nature. (See? im doing it RIGHT now!) It behooves (snigger) us to remind ourselves of the diverse nature that ANY community is and not flaunt our own dogma. Share...sure....flaunt...?

While I am a newbie myself and I dont really know how things work here, I still have been a little disturbed by the expulsion of certain longer time members. Spirit certainly had reached beyond declamatory, but he/she was a long time member and having seen this with a few others, Im a little surprised.
Or maybe thats just it; some people get their 'rank' and they go a little gaga with the ego trip.
I dont know how far Spirit went over the top, but in some ways I wouldnt have minded locking horns with him/her. It would have been interesting to test the dimensions and flexibility of the person AFTER we got all the huffing ang puffing done. But others shouldnt have to endure that. Maybe there should be a thread called ARENA, where itinerancy gets moved to by the moderators if things get gnarly.

Anyway, somebody hold me back and stop me if I grow imperious!



Ahhh! Finally! All the emoticons I always wanted to use!

so....alright then...

Singing Dog...strikes again!

Below for your viewing pleasure is the very endangered New Guinea Singing Dog.

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