I have always considered zoo to be perverted, and that's one of the things that turns me on about it. My answer to the original question is therefore yes, but I can't say I have a problem with it.

Then again demonic translates to the word knowledge, which is why they scare people away from it. I completely agree with your last post standsonabox, we are not causing harm to anyone or anything, so its not a bad thing to do what feels right... Its all great that we are conversing this subject with each other, but wouldnt it make a bigger impact if we argued our rights with people who can actually make a difference?

Yes bro, but where do we start?

Well, as a lot of us live in free countries, we can argue whatever we want with our governments, as long as we dont claim to practice the activities ourselves, or we would get arrested. Of course unless we lived in a state such as Washington, which allows it.
We would also be allowed to do rallies, polls, etc etc, sort of like the way the gay community argued their rights for marriage. It worked for them in certain states, why wouldnt it work for us?
Whats good is that we can also use the internet.. Also we can use the net to send the statistics to our government to stay anonymous, using proxy chains and so forth. It would be better than sitting around wishing we could just be ourselves legally.
Also Im going to continue to stand for the idea of a colony in somewhere that its legal. I lived in Washington for a month and you can walk down the street and theres this huge snowy mountain range right there, how cool is that? The scenery is beautiful and theres plenty of space for us, why dont we go for it? My other idea was to buy large portions of land for incredibly low amount of money in Bulgaria, but I doubt people will actually take it that far haha.. But Im a really big enthusiast about what I believe in and if i had the opportunity I know I would do it.
I would do just about anything for real freedom.

This post has been edited by ultimatefuck on Jul 23 2007, 12:00 AM

Do we go to local fairs and tell the 4-H club we want to fuck their horses? Do we go to the local Alpaca farm and tell them we'll take really good care of their sheep if they'll just let us fuck them? What is our position? We have none. We have to be content with what we can get when we can get it. Because what we do will never become acceptible/mainstream in our lifetime.

I spend alot of time sneaking around with a big Maglight (it's the same one the cops use, and for the same reason....you can beat the shit out of somebody with it!) I will NOT be caught again and have credible witnesses.

I am not a forward type of person, although you all might think so from reading my posts. I don't get "up close and personal" with someone unless they give me a reason. Like if they fuck with me, my car, or someone I care about. Then they better pray to whatever gods they have to give them a painless death, because I'm coming. 'Nuff said

It doesnt have to be done publicly, like I said we can use the internet to stay anonymous. So, its not as far fetched as it seems

thats actually pretty interesting

about the whole perverion vs. a 'unique' form of masturbation. I love my pets and my finned companions. However, I have never spoke to a therapist about this. You have to think of it like this therapists learn to make their own conclusion to help their patients, however it does not say what their thinking in their own personal mind. with psychology you learn to not judge people. But who knowns the therapists are talking about wihen your not ther or even during their luch breaks or with family..lol

Ultimate, I like this line of thought. I studied business and finance for 6 years and if there was a little money to manage, I could roll it over into a line of credit for 10 times the amount. That's how business works in "these untied states." (that's not a typo BTW). Let's talk, bro. I got a little extra money to lay out. It would be AWESOME to have a place to go chill w/other zoo's and have my pick of healthy/happy critters to play with in a nice mountain retreat. Let's rock: "Critters Incorporated" (or LLC preferably):rock:

Wow, I didnt think that anyone would even consider that idea with me! Ill support it in any way that I can as well. You seem a little more experienced than I do, I mean, Im not even 20 yet. But I can still help to make a difference.. Send a pm my way when your ready to start

This post has been edited by ultimatefuck on Jul 23 2007, 12:28 AM

Just a reminder, bringing religion into the discussion is not tolerated here, so I'd advise against mentioning it further in any detail.

The problem is, what are we going to rally for? We don't have marriage or civil benefits as a goal. The primary goal would be to change the laws so we're not thrown in jail or labeled a sex offenders. Really, the best we can hope for, right now at least, is to lift current laws against us. I'm not even talking acceptance or tolerance by society, I'm just talking removing the lawful consequences if we are caught. Bestial acts may not be explicitly outlawed in certain jurisdictions, but it can still be charged as animal cruelty.

We must also take our numbers into account. Homosexuality is estimated to be as frequent as 10% of the population. There are no verified estimates for the prevalence of zoophilia, which could be as low as only 1-2% percent.

One person in a hundred isn't very noticeable, but one in ten is. Given that, we do not possess the numbers to properly execute a pro-zoo campaign. Many people, myself included, think that if we try to push the issue too early, it could have more negative consequences than positive.

Society is opening up to more sexual freedom as the generations progress, and I believe that progress won't be seen for at least one or two generations from now. I do believe that in time, it will become tolerated in society, but there's a good chance it won't be in this lifetime.

I agree 100%. But in the face of all this adversity, which we agree that we can't overcome, we need to find alternatives. A retreat of our own would be ideal. Self-supporting from it's own income, a Mecca for all of us zoo's, earning enough money to buy any animal the clientel desires and still be able to maintain a beautiful place to chill. Anyone disagree?

Who's in?

Me.

maybe you are right,but i dont understang deeply.


so to thank you very much.

Ugh, to me this is another form of BS, that psychologists have found another way to label people like us. I don't care what anybody says, there are too many views and opinions on the morality of zoophilic behavior. Sure, this is one of the better ones, but people need to understand that it doesn't matter what people say about it. If they have a problem, or think it's weird, too bad, not their life, and they aren't making your choices. I prefer there to be no demeaning opinions and it just be another element in diverse lifestyles. Though I guess this is just wishful thinking...

I never felt like a pervert. Love is built-into the mind and heart and have always thought that.

But it's good to hear what a psychologist has to say about it! ^_^