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Judy and Ellen help Anna in Anna's Mother's Secret http://www.beastforum.com/index.php?showtopic=127129
Anna learns her Mother's Secret and gains a lover and zoo sisters

I am fascinated with helping people as they age and how dogs can assist them.

Alice

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Bless you alicealice for bringing such warmth and feeling to your storylines. Your splendid advice and encouragement to others on this Forum (myself included)gives me almost as much pleasure as your stories. With age comes wisdom, tolerance, but above all, confidence and inner peace with oneself......you already have this in abundance. :rock:

I am currently "stalking" :devil2: you through the pages of this Forum to catch up with all your writing. Everytime I read something else you have written, it turns out to be another gem . :rock:

With kind regards,

Sven ;)

This post has been edited by Sveent on Apr 12 2008, 02:55 AM

Dear Alice;

Great story, thanks for sharing! I am certain that Anna will careful consider the proposal given to her and opt to continue her mother's zoo lifestyle. Intersting how you are building for a continuity here!

Alice, do you have any advice on how to broach the subject of the zoo lifestyle to an older woman that is girl friend/wife. If the man mentions dildos, creams etc, it does not seem that unusual but mentioning bestiality tends to bring the "my God are you sick and depraved" type of reaction. Do you have any ideas on approaching this subject in a subtle way, so a serious non judgemental conversation can take place?

Thanks again for your great stories!

By the way do you think you and Emily will reveal your lifestyle to your daughters when they are old enough? I would think that it would be easier for Emily to inform your daughter(s) and vice versa. It would only seem fair to let them know this when they are mature enough to handle the information. I beleive they would thank you and Emily for your honesty.

Take care!

Aubyd, Sveent, and Kind Readers

Some of the postings have index links to previous writing so that you may find what you may not have read.

Writing for arousal is just pornography. I hope to add to our understanding of women and our relationship with our dogs and human lovers. So many of us carry the guilt of our behavior as we are conditioned by society. Guilt that we should not have. So I write in hope of helping women like myself.


hoseboy

On introducing a dog into a relationship.
Until a problem is recognized as a problem, all solutions will be rejected. Even when a problem is recognized, until it is perceived to be severe enough to warrant an unusual solution, an innovative solution will be rejected. A good sales person helps the client recognize a problem or need and brings the client to want to fulfill that need with a solution provided by the sales person, even a solution that the client would have rejected in the past.

Until a woman wants sex that she cannot have by means that she has available, she will not consider alternatives. The key to opening a woman to consider sex with a dog is to have her desire more sex than she can currently have fulfilled.

This may take several steps:
First increase her desire for sex. Perhaps using creams, dildos, toys, and yourself to raise the level of sexual activity to the point that these do not satisfy her. She has to be brought to the point of wanting more. More sex in more forms. Drive her clit and G-spot so her expectation levels are high.

Then a discussion on adding to her satisfaction can be started. Adding another man or woman might be an acceptable discussion point but one that is only used to demonstrate the risks of adding another person. If she will discuss “swinging” or adding another person and will risk such an addition, then it is an easy sell to bring in the addition of a dog and get her over the “Yuk” barrier.

But if her level of sexual desire does not exceed what she is getting now, it may be hard to have her consider a dog. The “Yuk” barrier will be too high. A dog for her may only be your dream and not hers.


On sexual education of our daughters (and sons)
Emily and I have never had a discussion as to what we will teach our daughters with respect to sex. We have developed a strong moral and ethical character in all of our children. They will grow to be strong, independent, and responsible adults.

However, sex is a very different matter. Character is taught by the behavior of the parents. Children never see the sexual behavior of their parents. As liberal as I believe myself to be, I will never have my children view me as a sexual being. Strange as it sounds, I would consider teaching someone else’s young adult the pleasures of sex and have someone teach my young adult child but will never teach my own young (or old) adult child. Emily and I are "joint" mothers to our children so it is not the same as an aunt - niece relationship.

Someone else will teach our daughters the joy of dogs. I am certain we will assure that what Emily and I have learned will not be lost. We know ladies who will help us.

Alice

This post has been edited by alicealice on Apr 13 2008, 12:13 AM

Alice:

I have been thinking lately about a retreat/retirement home for people in the lifestyle. You have alluded to secret organizations such as the ones mentioned in Jen's induction, Beth and her dog training plus maybe a de facto one with Ellen and now Anna at the retirement home. The reality is that acceptance of a zoo lifestyle is not likely to happen for years or possibly never? It also seems that Collie has found like minded individuals in Costa Rica as well. Wouldn't it be nice to have a place where people could practice their lifestyle and not worry about being "outed." Do you think it is possible to integrate some of the existing [SPAM] into one, or more, zoo lifestyle communities. Communities (communes) have existed in the past for such causes as religion, socialism etc. Just a thought, but in this technology age maybe it is something that is realizable?

Take care Alice, you are a super star!

hoseboy

In most regions of the US, ladies with discretion can practice a K9 life. Finding a support group may be difficult. I doubt a K9 life will ever be public. But the police are not out looking for women and if spotted, most will leave them alone. The police have better things to do. But rest assured, public displays will get you in jail for animal abuse.

BF and other sites have location specific threads for people to meet. I have little trust in web site "dating" and you have to be very careful, very careful. It takes only one dirty old man to mess you up. But with the proper protections, web sites can be useful for people to meet.

I believe that beastiality porn is banned in the US so web sites have to be located in countries that permit hosting. If you start a K9 web site in the US, it will be shut down. But the Internet is not censored so we can access it.

Alice

Alice:

Can you give me a clue where these location specific threads can be found on BF or other sites?

hoseboy

hoseboy

Look at the bottom of the list of links on the home page of BeastForum. There are links with locations. I have no experience with these links but it appears that there are people who are trying to meet like minded people. I think that there are pinned threads suggesting how to meet others.

Here is the link for the US http://www.beastforum.com/index.php?showforum=16

There are links for other regions of the world.

Good luck

Alice

This post has been edited by alicealice on May 15 2008, 12:21 AM

You have a fan! i so enjoy your stories. Thank you :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Thanks Alice! I'll let you know if I meet someone!

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Great story . Intelligent depiction of this problem and common sense solution of it . Thanks for writing and all of your comments .

Greetings AliceAlice. You are a treasure beyond price.

Among men, us "Old Farm Boys", have become a rarity. Not a heifer nor mare escaped our attention! They seemed to enjoy the relationship too, as just crossing the pasture brought them running!

Too many "City Boys" today, making believe they are the "ever-in-demand stud" for women of all ages and types to swoon after. Ignorance is bliss to some men.

I have no illusions about myself, nor my abilities as a sexual being. Having been around the world a few times, gives one insight into just how ignorant men, and a whole lot of women today, in the USA, really are about sexuality (of either sex). The world just don't revolve on modern American (USA) morality. regardless of religious conviction.

My paternal Grand Ma always said she couldn't have made it through WW II without the German Shepard stud they had. To quote her:,"Love the Man, Love His Dog." Bestiality was much more accepted then, in the rural (Deep) South. The women of her time also had a much healthier relationship, and acceptance, of polygamy and concubines too. Just don't rub their faces in it. We all knew of several men that had one, or the other, in the local community. Grand Ma had friends that were Lesbian, and no one thought twice about it (although she definitely was NOT).

Mama was no prude either!

Male homosexuality, even male bi-sexuality, was the big taboo. A man was much better off with anything, and in any number, than with another male.

And us old-timers are considered "out of touch"! Maybe it ain't us that needs a reality check! Sure on one side of male sexuality, they were oppressive, but they sure weren't prudes about anything else!

My Bride is 24 years younger than me. She also comes from a "conservative country" where mention of ones sexuality (of any type), is repressed (serious Church Dogma). I frequently include mention of our Bull Mastiff joining us during sex. Recently, she is becoming responsive to the fantasy, so it will happen, eventually. Age teaches patience! I have made it quite plain to her that he is there for her too. She has started to mention that he needs a bath more frequently during out fantasy trips, rather than outright rejection of the idea.

I can do that!

Fortunately, my daughters are enthusiastic, fully understand, and reap the benefits of "loving the dog". They have no illusions about the dangers of sexual relations with human males (STD's, broken hearts, shipwrecked dreams, unwed motherhood, etc...). That may one day expand to including a stallion. It's Their choice, and I support any decision they make.

They also know (wife and daughters), and accept, the relationship I have with my mini-mare. They can see the love (and jealousy!), she has exclusively for me. I am her stallion. She will give the dog a lick every now and then, but everything else is reserved for me. She tolerates the women in the home, and is quick to push them away from me when she is around. She allows no one else to get close to her except for pats on her head and feeding. She was the instigator of our first interspecies sexual consummation. She doesn't tolerate equine stallions (we've tried), so artificial insemination is the only option for to gain motherhood. Too bad a little Centaur or Aswan isn't possible, because she would really love that!

I guess you can safely say she is "Zoo" exclusive, from the other side of the fence.

Maybe other men can write on their (REAL) interspecies relationships too. I hope to one day have time to write of my own. There is a deeply emotional side of these relationships that quickens the heart, when it is allowed to grow, beyond the purely sexual experience. Men do have feelings too.

None of us in our home, would ever consider neutering. It just ain't right to give the "Bob Barker Treatment" to life long companions, weather animal or human.

Your writings are a treasure beyond words. I always look forward to your writings.

Keep up the good work.