There was a very negative biased article in a danish paper that set animal love = animal brothels. I wrote the jurnalist who had made that article and offered her a interview. We did so, and she vooled somewhat down, and even wrote a second article in a different light. I think she realized that she had just been used as a tool by the anti-zoo movement.
If someone could write that channel, and offer them a second point of view....? Write that journalist, and offer him that second point of view. let him know, between the lines, that some other journalist could do the ob as well. Journalists are professional cannibals. Another journalist would not hesitate to drag him into the dirt, least of all if he is employed by a competitor. If he is a pro, he will know.

Though I firmly believe there is a link between the renewed talk of a ban on bestiality and this upcoming episode, I have no doubt about it being real. I've seen episodes of it before and it deals with all kinds of subjects, but I've never seen any sign of it being staged.

They do try and make it very sensational though. Like he has managed to discover a world that is kept so secret it would've taken the secret service to figure it out. That you can find forums like this in five seconds with google isn't mentioned.

This post has been edited by Cetacean on Apr 20 2007, 10:56 AM

If he actually does reveal some sort of real animal abuse it would be OK with me, but the long distance transports with animal cross Europe go on, and nobody cares. OK lets face it, there are animal abusers in the beastiality community too, if he reveal something there, let it be so.
The article on animal brothels that was written here did have some good spinoff too, the brothels got cold feet.
What could be the bad result is that the world outside thinks this is the only agenda. Who has the courage to answer back?

Maybe the s key on his 'puter does not work. beatforum.com does deal with something quite different ;)

Least thing he could have done was to give some, or at least one of his wictims the opportunity to explain themselves.

zon grote oelerwapper

Ok, let's see the programme first.

Well I think the problem with that is, he won't delineate between the abusers and the larger group of our kind that don't abuse our lovers. Blatant, black and white, abuse is sensational, whips up emotions, and gets big ratings. The problem is our community, like any other has many shades of gray. But I fear our whole lifestyle will be categorized as black and white, with the intent, or at least insinuation that all zoos and beasties are abusers of one ilk or another. Besides, I truly doubt he's going to air all the secret footage he taped, only the most sensational parts that fit the point he's trying to make.

Well, I guess that's one problem with the media. They decide what picture they want to paint. But, I'll wait with judging it until I see it.

Whatever is on the media we often be praising about it. Sense the media is the way its is, its going to be bad news for zoos in general and another slap in the face to the zoos who don't hurt animals. But what the heck, I guess we have to wait to find out what the outcome is going to be...... :mellow:

That's it.

I hope someone here is able to record that "documentary". If I get the chance to see it, I would write a letter to those folks who made it and tell them what this could also be about. No big problem if it is in dutch.

Let's hope this isn't one of those "documentaries" the media loves, everything is black or white, and if the majority of people doesn't like it, then it is wrong!, or even worse, since talk shows are usually staged to shock people.

Besides, Talk shows are worth crap, most of those are staged, the people going there is payed to play the part, I had news from a local show here in mexico where they payed extra $50 about 5 USD, to the actors for each time one beated the otherone, obviously they allways had the good suffering woman/family and the evil drunk, cheating, beating and so on and so forth husband (allso a loved telenovela theme), if they want shock value they will pay an actor to say crap like "yeah, every little four legger is in danger!, we assault everything with hair!, we are sexual mainiacs that can't controll themselves ha ha ha!".

I believe that TV in all the world must stay with the "standard good" society, example, if you ask a hooker to speak on TV she must be way ugly, a gay must be obviously girly, a thieve must look like a mugger and so on, so people believes that evil people is ugly.

Well, it's not even remotely a talk show and I am pretty sure nobody was paid.

Noticed the attached article in the Dutch newspaper "Metro" today (which is published for free in various countries). I'll translate for those that don't speak Dutch (most of you).

Some notes:
-Party for the Animals: a small Dutch political party with animal welfare as their main issue.

-PvdA: Party of the Workers. A party with socialist viewpoints in the Netherlands. Part of the ruling government.

-It is mentioned that sex with animals is not a crime "unless the animal dies or becomes unuseable". This is incorrect, if the animal is hurt or injured it will qualify as animal abuse and it will also be illegal. Apparantly, the newspaper Metro did not find this worth mentioning.

I was going to write my own comments on the article, but I'll leave up to you to decide.

This post has been edited by Cetacean on Apr 27 2007, 07:06 PM

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Well, the documentary aired. I sadly had nothing to record it with so I haven't.

There was one guy interviewed, a couple, and a male fencehopper.

The first guy seemed a decent person. He was only interested in male dogs and "just" wanted a male dog to do him anally. The couple was also looking for a male dog, and here also I saw no sign of abuse. The fencehopper I have no respect for. He seemed to care mainly for his own satisfaction than for the animal's welfare or anyone else's. Sadly, this guy got 75% of the whole "show".

I am extremely annoyed this single fencehopper, who regretted horses aren't tied up as often anymore, as it made his life harder, got almost all of the attention. Yes, find the poorest example you can find and give him all the attention.

This post has been edited by Cetacean on Apr 29 2007, 09:38 PM

WTF, i am shocked i just saw it.....I created a new post about it ;)

http://www.beastforum.com/showtopic-102614.html

My topic was locked, i understand. I will post my data here then


was Shocked!! Today on SBS6 in the netherlands there was a docu about "bestaliteit" Aka animalsex.

There is a confllic because there is a raising level in interest in the netherlands in animalsex, and some people in the coverment think it should be forbidden.
But....how they think about us, they think we are psyicomaniacs, totaly lose from this world, i was shocked! Because i am a normal boy, never had any wierd problems, girl friend, just a normal life, and they say that people who had no friends, live lonly, have psycho problems etc only get involved in this "dirty" buisness.

And they think that all animalsex loves mis-use there animals, beating, etc but thats total bullsh*t, most people have deep feelings about animals and the last thing they would do is beat them wacko.gif.

I had to say that one person i this docu was kinda pushy, he forced a stallion once to had anal sex...thats wrong ofcourse.
There are ofcourse people who beat, mis-use animals and have sex with them, and that is verry wrong.

But back to buisness, this docu. isnt correct because i think it give a wrong image about animalsex and i am verry sad and angry!. sad.gif ^_^

Nothing u can do.... period...

something the media always does...and governments in general... on any topic,,

if its to their advantages they will always pick up on and focus mainly on the negative side of things....

Even if 99.99% of Zoos as we know...normal people...who care and love their animals deeply.. u just know theyre going to focus on the fence hoppers..and the bad people...hype that negative side and thus the negative feelings towards all who have sex with animals...

and voila... u have bad feeling... bad press and new laws...

Well, I am seriously thinking of a counter-initiative. I'd just like some support, if just in word, from some more Dutch zoos. I have no real sexual experience when it comes to animals, hence I don't feel I'd be a great "voice" since I lack experience to talk from. Also, regardless of what I might do, it'll always be anonymous. I have a career in aviation, I won't risk losing that.