My Stallion

:thinking: [FONT=Geneva]I have a stallion and i wanna know where i can stroke him to turn him on.
Any advice?

I have some thoughts because it is not like the movies you see
There is maby more power in this than you know
I have 2 studs who work and compete
I assume you said "I have" so he is yours.
If he is not yours you need to stop now
Have you had him long and how old is he
what is his temporment
Have you seen him cover a mare and been collected.
Do you want to put him in to this.
You have to care for him and you may well find his temperment and handling will change.
I am not being judgemental or mean but I have handled breeding stallions of several breeds over 30 years.
There are several people on the forum who have relations with there studs but they are very well aware of the dangers in doing so.
looking forward to your reply
Rus

:thinking: i don't know his exact age because he is my uncle's horse. I regularly help out with feeding and what-not and i have seen him mount on one occasion. He is fairly calm for a stallion and is well trained.

I admit I am the old fart of the groop.
Axcidents can be very life changing.
Horses have great memorys but do not reason well.
A horse thinks of one thing at a time. There sence of smell and hearing is far better than you think. They can pick you up and through you around as easy as a rag. If they do not like the sex they can get very hatefull. Horse sex to them is quick and over. Thats the bad news. Now the hard facts. Part of the horses experence is being mounted on the mare or breeding mount. He is only thinking of the act if he is swinging you on a lead shank with your feet in the air wile he is headed to the mare he wont know or care you are there. I wash my boys befor they are collected or bread that handling is a start. Tease him with a mare to get him in the mood but when he rears you will be at a terrable risk. The movies you see usually the horse is tranked. The penis is very hard and strong at that point [ I have directed many ie stick round peg in round hole] Wash him hangle him to cleen him go carefully and I think you need to see more horses breed.
Safty Never turn your back on any stud and never stand in frount of one always stay where if he throws a frount leg it will push you away.
If a dog grabs your leg it is funny if a 1100 lb horse grabs you you may be dead and yes the reaction is the same I have dropped and roaled before.
The most dangerous stud is the best behaved you will miss his bad move
Know how big the circle of influence he has and what he likes and dislikes.
Each horse has his own personal space and what he likes in it.
When I lead one I watch his shadow if i see a 5 leg I know something is up and he is in trouble.
I NEVER slap privets or belly I have slaped a neck hard enough to rock the horse. If they fight that is ware they hit.
A pasture breed horse is the safest as a rule.
Breed your horse in the same place with a halter and shank only for that reason they will learn from the smell of it that is the ok to do it .
I use my boys in public I can not aford one to get rank. I know there are some who are intamat with there horses but there a small few who are experenced in that. I am afraid you could get this horse into something he wont be able to handle. I have handled studs for over 30 years I can lay down saftly with my Boy no worries I sleep with my dog.
Hope this helps
not trying to be a pain
Rus

My advice? I've been breeding stallions commercially for years, and in my experience (also owning two stallions): don't try a thing unless you know what you are doing. Playing with a stallion without understanding what he's capable of, what he's thinking, and what he needs to do his job is extremely dangerous, and more to the point very fustrating for both you and him :)

Hi Jaky.

I see nobody has really answered your question. My advice would be to stroke him where you can't be seen! Seriously, I've been looking for the answer to that question for 40 years - haven't found it yet!

I have to agree with Rus - he is an old fart, but I like him anyway (love the new avatar Rus, very tasty - couldn't you just bury your face in there?).

The warnings from Rus & Deacon must certainly always apply unless you know the horse, and horses in general, very well, and with stallions it pays to be cautious.
However, it makes me a little uncomfortable when I see ALL stallions branded as dangerous to ALL people. My present stallion has been with me for 19 years and we have total trust in each other. I don't think twice about turning my back on him anytime. My avatar shows a previous stallion. That is one of a series of pics I took of him mating that day. The mare was waiting in the paddock, but as I brought him from his stable I found he had loads of straw stuck to his feet, which would have looked silly in the pics, so I stopped him in sight of the in-season mare and picked out his feet. Good as gold.

I'm not contradicting anything already said, just to redress the balance a little to protect my boys reputations! Not all stallions are dangerous and unpredictable. If you build the right relationship they can be so wonderful. But that relationship needs knowledge, and respect on both sides.

Hehe I see what you are saying :) Both my studs (all three really, although the one isn't a stud anymore nor mine anymore) were absolutely wonderful. But I work with stallions every single day, including dangerous and difficult ones, so I'm very comfortable dealing with their mannerisms and behavior. Stallions in my opinion are the most exciting animals around and the most rewarding. But they aren't for beginers! They are too dangerous for that, even the most wonderful and well mannered ones. Stallions have a well deserved reputation for unpredictability and danger. You can never turn your back on them (figuratively... you kinda have to sometimes to play with them ;) ). If you aren't familier with stallions and aren't comfortable working with them in a breeding situation, you shouldn't be trying to jack one off.

And "jacking a stallion off", as common as that is as far as zoo's dreams, is almost impossible. :) Stallions don't respond to that kind of stimulation. They respond to temperature and pressure on their glands. That's all I'll say... if you can use that to help him out, go for it :) In five years I have yet to successfully get a stallion to ejaculate without an AV (or a mare, of course) :( But most of my experience is commercial, not personal. Soon enough my boys will be living with me and not boarded :) Then we'll move on to bigger and better things :)

Thanks Rololover the full pick is on my controals page.
He was a boy I would drive by in the deasert.
Not mine needs to be washed.

I took to long to right & lost post
short version

I know studs for the most part are not bad or dangerous but before people meet the back end they must learn to pat and love the frount end.
There are horsepersons who are more comfortable with some but not all the sexes and they handle differently.
We know our boys because we live with them that can not compare with someone who sees one on a weekend.
I know a stallion owner who lives with a 1200lb GSD in the shape of a horse. He has raised him from a foal and he is a champ in his division. If you were to scare or run up to this person he would part you out. They have an incredable relationship.
We take liberitys because we and the horse are comfortable with the suroundings. We know the reactions to outside things
Some studs do not like to be felt up and they are bigger than us. can react fast
I like studs for there presence and the way they handle. They are loyal
Rus

Sorry BigJaky if I'm off topic again here. I would answer your question if I could, but I can only say it ain't easy!

With regard to his avatar, Rus suggested the stallion needed washing. (I'm assuming we're talking about the whole horse here). In a dry, warm climate that is fine, and no doubt helps build a bond, but I don't wash my horses. It is often wet and cold here, and the horses natural defence is the grease produced by it's skin, making a waterproof layer. If this is shampooed away it must be replaced by a rug which is strapped on and the horse has to carry about, flapping round it's legs. I don't see the point. I like my horses to have natures protection. They may look a little scruffy but they're healthy and happy. :)

Hi Rolo
I was thinking of his sheath I met his owner he is a toutch me not there.

OK B J
I think slow is the way to go so..
I would groom him and brush his legs and sheath etc carfully.
The other posts are correct in what he needs to feal
I handle my boys breeding etc but remember that the reason we use breeding mounts is that studs naturally want to mount. You watch the porn films horse gets girl horse is tranked. To turn this horse on you need to walk a line between being mounted and seriously enjured or masterbating him to get him to come with out him jumping you or something else.
Very emportant
Horses do not reason well they have excelent memorys and react instantly to fear flight. If a dog gets caught in a door it backs up to get out... The horse will panick shift to 4 hoof drive and tear the wall out.
Horses do not understand we are 1/10 there abilitys weight power. They consider us the boss mare. You need to have a stud in public work with you and in a instant shift his thinking to the horse next to him.
My horses are / were worked in public they by being bread by me look to me to do it. They are tought to breed in one plase at home with a halter and lead only used to breed them. They know no sex anyware else. If you teach him to masterbate he will come to you for more it is what boys do. You may find he can not handle the situation regarding his and your safty he can not make those desisions.
I love my boys but I sleep with my dog..
For your safty and his you need to know exactly what he is thinking. You need to be a good enough trainer to keep him safe. That is experence in handling. I started years ago like you are now work there learn be carefull start riding there is so much more to studs than sex. They are the best
Keep in toutch
Rus


This post has been edited by rus80 on Oct 16 2006, 05:52 PM

Hey BigJaky,well I have to agree with what both rus80 and deacon have pointed out. Use caution. I've been working around horses for more than 35 years,mainly mares and geldings,and while a stallion may appear "calm",he has the potiental to change temperment in the blink of an eye.

"Hi Rolo
I was thinking of his sheath I met his owner he is a toutch me not there."


OK, you meant the hole of the horse, not the whole horse! :lol:

Yes I finely caught up with your thought.
The photo is in my personal photo.

lol the hole of the horse... :) nice....

I don't know many horses that enjoy a sheath wash or touching, even breeding studs that are collected (and washed) every day. Of course, the few that do will drop into your hand and get hard with no additional stimulization... but those are rare and precious :)

I love to bathe my horses... during the summer soap doesn't hurt them at all unless you wash them so often they dry out. During the fall and winter, IF its warm enough I just use plain warm water, that prevents removing the oils. The oils keep the horse's coat waterproof, they aren't all that important in the long run and don't require a coat if its dry out. I don't blanket as a rule (for the big boy... mini boy has a blanket to keep his coat thinner) but washing doesn't nessesarily mean you need a blanket :)

Okay, I think that enough warnings have been posted on this thread.

Every horse is different in the way they act and react.

The first way I try with a horse I have become friends with.

I start with a through grooming (Not the 30 second quick brush), finding and paying special attention to the itchy spots. I make it a habit to brush out his belly thoroughy too. As I do I brush with the hand to the front, and gently place the hand aft over the horses navel (just in front of the sheath). Often, in a relaxed horse, he will begin to drop. If he does I gently hold him. Not shake, pull, or squeese. Just hold him while I brush him down, earning his trust. If he retracts, oh well, I have the other side to groom...And there is always tomorrow.

If he stays in my hand...I finish grooming him anyway. Finish brushing down the side I'm on while continuing to hold him. If I need to I let go, move to the other side, and spent the same amount of time grooming him there...Again leaving the belly, and the holding, untill last.

If he extends on his own (some do), fine...If he retracts, try again next time...If he is neutral, and just lying in your hand. Then gently, at the end of his sheath, rythmic sqeezes. Squeeze,2,3,4, release,2,3,4. If he is willing, this will encourage him to drop. Or pull himself in.

If he retracts...Let him. :(

If he extends...You will find a few squeezes will get more, and better, reactions, than all the shaking in the world. :thinking:

I have a thread on becoming friends with a horse over in the How To section that may help as well.


This post has been edited by clweed on Oct 17 2006, 02:06 AM