Hate Crimes Against Zoos Has It Happened?, WARNING THREAD CONTAINS VIOLENCE

In the gay world hate crimes are observed now and then, in the apearence of violence, or demolition of property.

Has there been known examples on hate crimes against animal lovers, persons that were outed, or faced violence, demolition of property etc?

I am working on a project about "us", and examples of hate crimes would also need to be mentioned, if they have appeared.

If you have knowledges that you for whatever reason do not want to post in the forum, pleae PM me instead.

Oh,, I know, that such "crimes" do happen. And, the problem, with reporting them, is that in some cases, it's the same people, that are supposed to be protecting your rights, are the same people, infringing on them. With some help and prompting, from the twisted minds, of some very close minded/not in touch with reality of the world [in other words: their vision, is seen through the fantasy of a misguided/misinformed/ignorant concept, of their perfect world], of what/how really does exist out there. It's differing views and values, that are not at all, following the general perceptions of the so called-civilized Western culture (those of the USA, CA, UK and places they have had heavy handed influences over). The leaders, both political and religious, can be such arrogant, pompous, self centered, greedy asses!! Cow_Poke

They have, though I think most of them probably get little attention.

One case I remembered from this forum:
http://www.beastforum.com/index.php?showtopic=44073

What disturbed me was the bag of dead puppies. How can anyone claim the moral high ground when doing something as repulsive and cruel as that?

The only case I know of that got any media attention is that of Philip Buble (google?), who got beat up by his father with a crowbar after confessing his zoosexuality to him. But there seem to have been other things playing in that case aswell, so it might not have been purely a hate crime.

I wish I didn't just read the last post :(

ummm - there is no gore or violence allowed on the forum - I understand that your sharing real life events here - and I won't disallow it - but I am going to put a warning in the subject line for folks like me who really don't want to read this kinda stuff - it's part of the duty so I will stop back in from time to time to make sure the thread is ok :(

hmm. I thought by hate and violence pertained to giving such actions to the forum or the members. I know this board isn't a democracy, and I respect so. As a fellow zoo, I believe records of these haneous acts should be publically announced and the individuals defamized. The thought of someone performing these criminal acts against someone who is different is despicable. I'm a person who will stand up for anyone regaurding acts of anti-individualism reguardless of different opinion of sex, religion, race, or certain preferences. Shouldn't there be a separate catagory for "Anti-Zoo acts" where these types of disgusting individuals could be discussed? I feel like this type of catagory is like a pink elephant. It's standing in the middle of the room, but people are hesitant to talk about it. Just my thought on the matter.

After reading the replies and links to other threads, I ask for people not to reply violence with violence outside of the law. Learn your current laws, and use them to your advantage. As one who was picked on in school, people used to use the school rules against me and get away. Then, I learned the rules for myself and used them to my advantage. I'm not one for killing on vengence, but if you have the advantage to injure them in self defense.. accidents happen and they are killed. If they live they will end up turning on your and suing you for everything you have in any form of property. There have been various cases throughout the united states where a robber broke in, and was injured by the residence. The robber sued the residence for 20k for injuries(a stab wound) in the name of self defense. This is the ridiculous use of the law, so you must use it against *YOUR* advantage. They will *not* stop, no matter what you do, even if you get a restraining order placed on them. I speak from experience, the bad people will not stop.

1. Read your local laws on housebreaks and people who are bugging you near/or on your property
story: I had a friend in NY who was bugged by none other than.. PETA because he didn't have a running water source to his horses water trof. By law where he lived you had to have a running source, even though he told them he filled it up each day. He called his neighbor(a trooper) and was told to tell them 5 times to leave before he could do anything, he did and he came to chase them off. The 2 people from the PETA came back with a cop with a legal document to take the horse, but the trooper told his friend to get rid of the horse(temporarily). He moved it to another friend's farm temporarily until he was able to get a running water source, and he played the cop with 2 peta people. People will be asses no matter what, and this is another type what to watch out for.

2. If you have a fenced yard, always close it(you don't have to lock it). In most states, even by opening the fence they are breaking an entry. I've learned to also use closed caption hidden cameras on my property. Sad, but its what I have to do now because of people who might hurt me.

3. Make friends with people, no matter what. I'm friends with many church people, and yes.. they know I'm zoo. I find religion intresting, even though sex with animals is against the rules. Sure, they say animals have no soul and don't go to heaven, and they are owned by humans. I make the intresting conversation without resulting to arguments. I believe what hits them well is when I tell them of my past girl, who lived 19 years and was my precious mate. She was my friend and stayed with me every possible minute she could even though she was a bit smaller than a female beagle. She was not my sex mate, she was my life mate. They have a bit more understanding of why certain people like animals more than just for being a pet, and no just for sex.

I'm sure others on the forum think the same way, and others might act differently. These are just a few simple ideas which I follow to make friends with everybody.

Thank you for your replies.

Even if this is unpleasant to talk about, it happens. And it is one of the good reasons to remain "in the closet" with our sexual preference, I think most of us fear some kind of hate crime if too many in our neighbourhood know about us.

Readigng in other non-zoo related animal newsgroups, they - the animal rights folks - say things about us, and what should be done to us, things that would cause people like Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Pol-Pot and Idi Amin to become pale.

thanks for supplying that link cetacean.
how horrible. it is hard enough to imagine finding the vandalism but a sack of dead puppies!

i rarely defend animal rights people (and i am one!), i have yet to meet one that thinks their time is well spent dealing with the issue of bestiality. as a matter fact, when i began researching this topic on the internet almost a year ago, i found some kind of an old chat room type exchange and the bottom line was: we should not be dealing with this subject when 9 billion farm animals are being killed. that position is consistent with activists that i have known. animal rights organizations might have official policies against sex with animals but to create a campaign against it? they see it as a waste of time.

I believe those people need to learn a hidden truth. Many vets are zoo and also have sex with animals. You have to remember the people who complain aren't the people who are zoo(affinity). Many of these people are PETA or related [SPAM], only in it because they 1) money, or 2) have nothing else better to do than bother people.

People have been having sex with animals for years, and has been looked at as okay. Its well known, or at least should have been farmers, vets, people who own uncut or large animals have had sex with their friend.

I am glad it is like that in the country which you live, Lassie13. I don't know much of how it is in other countries, but sadly in my country, the animal rights activists are actively campaigning against zoos, lobbying on a monthly basis in the department of justice in the government. The minister of justice has had the issue of making bestiality illegal on his table, at least once every year, but so far he's always come to the conclusion that what needs to be covered, is already covered in the current law against cruelty to animals.

But the next election here is in September, and we might have a change of government, and highly likely another minister of justice. And the animal rights activists are very persistent in their lobbying.

They also have an official anti-zoo forum, where they post gruesome threats on what they think should be done to everyone who has sex with an animal.

It is sad, I think animal rights is a highly important issue, very much so, but so many people who are animal rights activists just takes everything a few steps too far. :(

I am glad it is like that in the country which you live, Lassie13. I don't know much of how it is in other countries, but sadly in my country, the animal rights activists are actively campaigning against zoos, lobbying on a monthly basis in the department of justice in the government. The minister of justice has had the issue of making bestiality illegal on his table, at least once every year, but so far he's always come to the conclusion that what needs to be covered, is already covered in the current law against cruelty to animals.

But the next election here is in September, and we might have a change of government, and highly likely another minister of justice. And the animal rights activists are very persistent in their lobbying.

They also have an official anti-zoo forum, where they post gruesome threats on what they think should be done to everyone who has sex with an animal.

It is sad, I think animal rights is a highly important issue, very much so, but so many people who are animal rights activists just takes everything a few steps too far. :(

Do you know of any pro-zoo organizations? I'm a very open minded person, and believe one could do much without causing all sorts of grief like the PETA. I'm thinking it would be a good thing to form an organization of zoos who do really care about other animals. There are good zoos and bad zoos who just use others for sex. From what I've seen, the board as a whole condems any bad zoos who just use the power of getting an animal for sex. A statement definitely needs to be brought up to any local senators of each state in the US. If we all keep quiet, both our rights human and lover will be taken away. We must do something as a whole to protest the antizoos and get recognition.

I am glad it is like that in the country which you live, Lassie13. I don't know much of how it is in other countries, but sadly in my country, the animal rights activists are actively campaigning against zoos, lobbying on a monthly basis in the department of justice in the government. The minister of justice has had the issue of making bestiality illegal on his table, at least once every year, but so far he's always come to the conclusion that what needs to be covered, is already covered in the current law against cruelty to animals.

But the next election here is in September, and we might have a change of government, and highly likely another minister of justice. And the animal rights activists are very persistent in their lobbying.

They also have an official anti-zoo forum, where they post gruesome threats on what they think should be done to everyone who has sex with an animal.

It is sad, I think animal rights is a highly important issue, very much so, but so many people who are animal rights activists just takes everything a few steps too far. :(

btw, where are these disgusting anti-zoo forums located?

There has been such attempts made. None of those I knew about are alive anymore. Hate chrimes, or threats of the same was one reason. The other main reason was inner conflicts. You start an organisation with the target to help animals, and make life easier for zoos, by providing proper information about what it is. You do not get many zoos who are ready to make the lot of administrative work required.
But then there come voices from inside, we should have a contact board, a porn swap site, a farm...? These wants are more or less in conflict with the original target of the organisation; the care about animals, which is not easily expressed in porn, swapbords or joy farms. By that time, the zoos that took up the work tends to leave the initiative, which then dies.

okay, I believe what I'm thinking about is getting in administrative control of a local ASPCA. If local members of the ASPCA were zoo, and then you stirred up troubles where people might start to have considerations on the main goal. I believe people are hooked too much on religion for the "answer". I've been speaking with a few political and psychological friends, we keep getting to the same conclusion. People will follow what they believe, and most of the ones complaining are part of the conservative party. This country(USA) was founded to get away from religious prosecutoin, but in the end turned up just like every other democratic country.. my description I tell my friend is called a "democracy is a tree of subcultures of communism" We are only pleased to do what is made laws, which are not freedoms but rules made by people who think they know what we are supposed to do.

Bush just placed 2 conservative justices to replace some of the proabortion, they are going to crack down on laws because they want to run the country by the rules of God. I'm just curious when they are going to get around to us zoos. I'm going to start talking to my psychology friends about it, and make influence in the parts of medicine.

I found out why I've been having so many wet dreams, I don't have a mate. Its only right I push the conclusion I stopped having sex, therefore having sex was healing. My choice of animal(human or otherwise) should be my choice alone, and what I'm going to push.

I wouldn't mind starting an organization to start rescue shelters and make a point to people with flyers, but the top goal is to recieve political scores. These bastards need to be ran over politically with a bulldozer, we can win as a community. Of course I don't think politics would be looked upon well in a forum like so.

I'm really not afraid of threats, and would be a total laugh to me. I'm not one to pack lightly in the mornings, as I'm always prepared. Hand to hand is one of my favorite activities, if it could be called so. I'm friends with the local police, all of them, so one call and I would get the whole state on someone's ass. Threaten me they shall not, I know the laws. I know when to kill, how to kill, and won't take that kind of crap from anyone. The person will find a one way trip to the hospital, and then I'll call my friend journalist and watch the headlines fire as it will read, "Zoophile gains recognition as a person"

My thought which is well concieved on the matter. I can't be threatened, because I don't have anything to threat which they'd be able to hurt. My friends, even the orthodox, would jump to my defense. They all know I'm a zoo, and not just a "animal f'ker". I don't think anyone making threats would want to fight a ton of russians. ;)

I cannot see that zoosexuality will ever be accepted at all. The most I hope for is tolerance. In some ways it seems actively campaigning for it is just bringing it to further public attention. And that is just freaking people right out. They have no context, and they arnt going to watch educational videos or read brochures. Any comparison to Gay acceptance is fellacious. The numbers are different on two fronts. 1) Gays make up 10% of the population 2) That means there were and are lots more people who know gay people. I understand the concept of the need for social recognition, but on numbers alone it really strains possibilty to me that any notion of acceptance is possible.(and I am a gay/zoo man!) Working for freedom and rights is critical but I would hazard that the wrong approach might exacerbate anger and violence against zoos more than some other approaches.

Just exactly why is it that it needs to be accepted by others anyway? I dont need people to accept any of my sexuality. I just Dont want people to f**k with me legally when Im not doing harm. Rather than seeking social sanction I think pushing for an application of the Ben Franklin Principal of; "If no harm is done...Mind Your Business!" more broadly in this society, has a far better chance of gaining tolerance of Zoosexuality. It can also act as a period of growth of tolerance of true diversity over time. The American Psychiatric Association no longer recognizes zoosexuality as a mental illness and That , in my view, not Social Rights is the corner to hold.

After that, maybe in about 7 generations people might be willing to sanction zoosexuality...till then... asking for social recognition likely will get us back on the nut list. Social activism for Zoos is actively vilified by anyone who hears that they may have to accept it.
People havent accepted me for a lot less compelling reasons, let alone homosexuality, nevermind ZOO sexuality. Demanding recognition isnt the same as fighting oppression and no matter what you may think about it; its a fool's errand based on numbers alone. I think more harm is done to general tolerance when people get particular regards demanding acceptance of their rather rarified sexuality. Even though I share it. Even though I love my love of 'animals.'

I sure wont fight you, power to you, I hope I can shake your hand one day and say:
"Thank You for this hard won freedom, I was the fool and not you."

In the meantime though, rather than trying to convince people that my sexuality is valid, Im going to try to teach people that my sexuality is really none of their business to judge and their's not mine to judge.


SD

This post has been edited by Singing Dog on Apr 5 2006, 01:20 PM

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