Sorry To Stir The Pot But..., anal sex is abusive right?

Sorry to disrupt the peace here but I believe this is a totally fair question to ask. In fact I think it's a question that shouldn't be ignored... if it is.


How is male humans having intercourse anally with an animal not abusive?

If a man has anal intercourse with another human against that persons will that is regarded as either rape or domestic abuse... or something certainly in the abuse and illegal category.

Why set different standards if it's an animal instead of a human?

Therefore you would have to establish that the animal wants it. How do u go about doing this?

Or is the main factor that the people who do this arn't conscerned if it is abuse or not?

Well it seems that this is similar to regular sex. I mean, if your dog doesn't want it, then don't do it. It goes for anal, vaginal, and male dogs having sex with you. If they aren't enjoying it, then I don't think you should do it. But with anal it's a bit different, you'd have to get them used to it SLOWLY first before trying anything, and maybe eventually they could like it. But then it comes back, are they actually enjoying it? I don't know if it would be considered abuse unless you are actually hurting them physically or emotionally...

I don't know if this helped...at all. Lol. But I tried. :rolleyes:

This has always been a concern for me as well. Always makes me very uncomfortable. :(

That's an interesting question. A typical argument might logically conclude that an animal would ever ask for anal sex as a receiver simply because it's not typical or natural behavior. It's not hard to agree that animals have sex drives and would accept and ask for vaginal intercourse, but I can see where gray areas might occur when considering the same for anal.

Obviously animals are different from each other, and it would probably be stupid to argue that there aren't at least some animals that genuinely enjoy the act. Crossing the species boundary itself requires attention to notice if the animal is truly enjoying it or not, vaginal or otherwise. It's just that a human's interest toward anal is a concept that is never initially a desire of the animal, but only the human.

If it is discovered that the animal enjoys the act, then I wouldn't call it abuse, for obvious reasons.

Kilokitty, furst off I believe you are coming dangerously close implying that any sex between an animal and a male human is wrong. Please be careful what you intimate around these parts. If you don't think you did, I susgest you re read line 3 of your original post. Is anal sex with an animal immoral/unethical/wrong whatever. To be honest that is between the man and the animal involved. There are quite a few zoos who do anal play with their animals, and where the animals are reported to enjoy it as well. Like people animals are individual, some are into different kinds or types of sex play and some arent. If the guy involved works his way slowly to it and the animal indeed enjoys it, then why not do it? You have nothing against a pet owner giving their animal pleasure do you?

Ok it seems some are suggesting that you can train an animal to receive anal sex and enjoy it. And therefore it wouldn't be abusive.

Hmm... so enjoyment is the only factor? If it's enjoyable and pleasureable it can't possibly be abuse? That arguement never works in statuatory rape cases. The point being if the animal enjoys it that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't abuse, right?

Maybe I am coming close to the area of any human male sex with an animal is abuse. I don't find that a dangerous place to be. I don't have the answer but I'm trying to figure this out. I think it's a responsible thing to wrestle with these fair questions.

There are plenty of good laws that protect people with a lack of mental ability from those with a superior mental ability from taking advantage of them, particularly in the area of sex. This being everyone from children to the mentally handicap. Could a more intelligent human "train" them to enjoy it (sex)? I don't see why not. And would that mean it can't be abusive? I don't see how it would.

Not that every zoo wants this but if you want this lifestyle ever to be legalized I think these are the questions that would have to be answered.

The main thing is to understand the different methods used to approach the situation. If it's enjoyable and pleasurable then it's not abuse, but if the "training" until that point was questionable, I can see why it might be. Even then, it should not be assumed that all cases are the same.

The are right ways and wrong ways when speaking of the mentality people use when initiating contact with an animal. A right way would be using extreme care, wanting to make sure they don't do anything against the animal's will. The wrong way would be thinking: if I do this enough it will learn to enjoy it.

This distinction of mentality is important, if the trainer will honor the animal's choice when it does not want to participate. Is the animal genuinely uncomfortable, or merely confused with the new concept? That is something each individual person must analyze, based on how well they know their animal and how well they understand its body language. For this, no definitive guide can be made that will work for everyone.

Is the first sign of discomfort, reluctance, or uncertainty on that very first attempt the basis for abuse in later events? New concepts are difficult to grasp for anyone, for any subject. As far as sex is concerned, this is not limited to anal, and is not even limited to female animals. A male dog may be confused or reluctant in mounting a female human, perhaps suffering pain or discomfort as a result of inexperience. The animal may have had a negative first experience, but over time could still learn to correct mistakes, find out what works, and learn to genuinely enjoy the action.

Unfortunately there will always be people who won't properly interpret the signals, or simply won't care. Those people will always exist, and it is not fair to pass judgment on good people because of them. It is important to remember that some people pursue sex not for their own personal pleasure, but for the animal's enjoyment. If you always care for the animal, have their best interests in mind, and fully understand what they communicate through body language, how could abuse ever happen?

I'm still of the opinion that it can be too dangerous to the dog...is an orgasm really worth possibly ending your dog's life...for me there is no question that it's not.

See that's part of the problem. We're forced to take their word for this. Something I'll never be completely comfortable with.

See that's part of the problem. We're forced to take their word for this. Something I'll never be completely comfortable with.

I can only approach this from a female perspective. Does the animal really enjoy the experience, or is it just conditioned to except what happens to it. Maybe if it behaves it will get a reward afterwards. Of cause all this is purely supposition. There have been videos and photos on this site with male animals becoming sexual aroused with another of the same gender and some of male animals just stand there and let it happen? Most times it is only parcel insertion or just rubbing their penis against or between the receivers legs. But having said that, I have seen several photos on another site where a male donkey was deeply inserted in another male, and video where one ejaculated in the recipients anus, and then a close up as the seamen leaked out of his anus. Unfortunately I can not remember the address or if it is still active.
Also I seem to remember a video on this site where a jenny is mounted by a horse and after much altercation he eventually shoves it up her back door as she stands there farting with her neck stretched out braying.

You're right, it is responsible to wrestle with these fair questions and I think most, if not all zoos have at one time or another. It's taken me over a decade of researching every single scrap of information I could get from every viewpoint, hundreds if not thousands of hours of contemplation and soul searching to find any answers. It isn't an easy question to answer. It's very good that you are trying to figure it out, shows you care and aren't an abuser. My advice would be to do your own research with an open mind and don't take anybody's word for it without having plenty of experience with animals-I'm not refering to going out and "doing it" with an animal, I mean go out and learn how they see the world-and taking everything you can into consideration. It also helps to research humans. You need to understand instincts/cognition/intelligence/communication/ethics/empathy/psycology/anatomy and a whole bunch of other stuff before you can really get a good grasp. The book Dearest Pet by Midas Dekker is a good place to start. I do have answers, but without understanding how I got them there's no point in giving them. That's the nature of philosophy. Good luck in your quest for answers. They won't come easy, and they should be your own answers, not ones you read somewhere. Other advice would be to understand anthropomorphization because it needs to be avoided at all costs if you want clear answers, and avoid dehumanizing. Children and the mentally disabled are not animals.

i highly doubt an animal gets any enjoyment from anal sex

yes i do believe it would be a form of abuse. I know there will be people here giving anecdotal stories about how thier pet "likes" it -- but i think it's just that they are tolerating it because they see thier owners as alpha.

not that anal sex does not exist in the animal world, but few perform it, so few that its a safe bet yours would not.

This does come close to making the accusation that a male human having sex with a female animal (or a male animal with the animal on the receiving end) as wrong and abusive. Giving anal sex to an animal, male or female, can be abuse if the animal does not want it. Anything can be considered abuse if the recipient does not want it. You force a child to eat fish, even though the child appears that it doesn't like it. That would be abuse.

The more I think on this, the angrier I get. So, I will end this and not even try to finish my point. To paraphrase what I said in a reply to a previous post a few months ago, to make it relevant to this thread: It's bad enough when what I do with my female dog is considered wrong by society as a whole. It's even worse when another zoo tells me it's wrong as well. (Look up the thread "Animals you just don't get the attraction to" and read it if you want to know what I was talking about.) I do not abuse her. And it's really making me angrier to have another zoo all but acuse me of doing so. I am a male human that has sex with a female dog. I do not force myself on her. Never have, never will. And I am going to end this, and ignore this thread. You want to reply to what I have said here, give me a pm.

I probably shouldn't even hit the submit button.

Thanks ZetterGRD and cowlover3167 and all the others. Some good responses.

And I'm not accusing anyone of anything. This is merely a discussion. I'm not about to preach to anyone. I'm just trying to reason this out.

The reason I'm focusing on anal sex is I think it's completely unnatural in the animal kingdom. One person mentioned it does happen but isn't that more because the male missed than because it was trying to?

Can you train a, say, dog to accept anal sex? Obviously you can but the question is should you? Why does the dog (or other animal) need to experience that or even want to? A good point was made that perhaps the animal can become conditioned to it simply because you are the dominate one. Since it sees you as its source of shelter, protection, food... it may allow it because it doesn't want to jeopardize that. What the human may view as enjoyment couldn't that possibly be a survival technique by the animal?

I'm glad this discussion has remained civil for the most part. I was hoping it wouldn't become a heated topic.

I read an article on a type of mountain sheep a while ago, and what I remember is that the immature males form bachelor herds when they are expelled from the main herd. The male sheep engage in anal sex with each other frequently as a means of social bonding. I'm just adding this to point out that some animals do deliberately engage in anal sex. It's not common in the animal kingdom, but it does happen.